# It's official: There Are No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, & Georgie is a Fucktard. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403 "2005-01-12T16:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/161 "2005-01-14T22:44:52Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The thing that really torques me is that, in the fetid swamp of ignorance and malice in which he wallows, still the real-life **Ryan Liam** gets to speak with an **English accent, and sound all intellectual and well-informed.** Location:\*\* Manchester\*\*, England Doubt it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/162 "2005-01-14T23:17:32Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > You’re wrong. If there is a serious attack and there is a valid target the world will be right beside the States just like they were after 9/11. Of that there is no question. > It’s the bullshit wars that a lot of the rest of the world has problems with. I’m not wrong, I’m just disagreeing with you. When the next batch of terrorists bombs the shit out of Houston and says “This is because you killed tens of thousands of civilians when you invaded Iraq on a bogus search for WMDs,” many, many people will say “Your mess, you clean it up; maybe you should think before you launch your next war.” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/163 "2005-01-14T23:19:31Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > I’m not wrong, I’m just disagreeing with you. When the next batch of terrorists bombs the shit out of Houston and says “This is because you killed tens of thousands of civilians when you invaded Iraq on a bogus search for WMDs,” many, many people will say “Your mess, you clean it up; maybe you should think before you launch your next war.” Sadly, I’ll be one of them. Are people unaware of cause and effect? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/164 "2005-01-14T23:26:31Z")
Speaking of cause and effect… “Iraq ‘could become terror haven’” > [@](#): > > US President George W Bush has described the war in Iraq as part of the “war on terror”. > > But the report suggests that terrorists could thrive in Iraq, and go on to “supersede” those who earned their stripes in training camps in Afghanistan. > > “The al-Qaeda membership that was distinguished by having trained in Afghanistan will gradually dissipate, to be replaced in part by the dispersion of the experienced survivors of the conflict in Iraq,” it says. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4173981.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4173981.stm) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/165 "2005-01-15T00:02:33Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > tharn Genius. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/166 "2005-01-15T00:04:13Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Speaking of cause and effect… > > “Iraq ‘could become terror haven’” That’s what we wanted though. See, [Iraq is like Flypaper:](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050114-3.html#3) > [@](#): > > Q To what extent is he concerned that Iraq has become, or is becoming a breeding ground for terrorism – > > MR. McCLELLAN: I think we talked about this before – the terrorists recognize how high the stakes are. **We’re fighting them abroad so that we don’t have to fight them here at home.** And the way to win the war on terrorism is to stay on the offensive and work with the international community to bring to justice those who seek to do us harm, and to work together to advance freedom, particularly in the broader Middle East region. And that’s how we ultimately defeat the ideology of hatred that terrorists espouse. The terrorists love it so much. It’s as if we set up a really good grad school for them, with interesting coursework, research to do, and a great stipend. Only a very few will ever want to graduate, and come face us in the ‘real’ world. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/167 "2005-01-15T00:04:22Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > I’m not wrong, I’m just disagreeing with you. When the next batch of terrorists bombs the shit out of Houston and says “This is because you killed tens of thousands of civilians when you invaded Iraq on a bogus search for WMDs,” many, many people will say “Your mess, you clean it up; maybe you should think before you launch your next war.” Yep but governments won’t. That’s all I meant. If there is a valid target they’d be queuing up to help. It’s already been shown that the public can come out in their millions and still be ignored. Almost every country involved in this war has a public that were against it. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/168 "2005-01-15T00:10:57Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > It’s already been shown that the public can come out in their millions and still be ignored. Almost every country involved in this war has a public that were against it. And many of them are slowing and quietly pulling out. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/169 "2005-01-15T00:33:23Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by kaylasdad99 The thing that really torques me is that, in the fetid swamp of ignorance and malice in which he wallows, still the real-life Ryan Liam gets to speak with an English accent, and sound all intellectual and well-informed. > [@yojimbo](#): > > Location:\*\* Manchester\*\*, England > > Doubt it. > 😃 Well, most Yanks **do** speak English better than the Manchester United Hooligans. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/170 "2005-01-15T00:36:43Z")
There’s a grimly delicious irony in there. I suppose it is possible that some of the nations in the, ah, coalition - are participating entirey from a deep sense of international reponsibility and an abiding and passionate regard for the USA. I suppose. Another element would be nations in awe of American military and economic power and are mostly motivated towards _le suque-up_. Imagine the look on their face when they come around to see the friendly, generous American aid representative and he says “Well, gee, guys, that new hydro-electric project on the Bumfuk River sounds like a swell idea, and you are just about our bestest buddies _ever_…but this war, you know, kinda expensive…” Hope they got dinner and a show. ---
**Author:** ![sinical\_brit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sinical\_brit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinical_brit)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/171 "2005-01-15T00:56:10Z")
Luci - where can i get a copy of your French dictionary? 🙂 Sin ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/172 "2005-01-15T01:45:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh, I see the problem! He didn’t have any, Kanicbird! So what you are saying Clinton lied? Again no traction here. > [@](#): > > Given that, I am interested in why you think that there is some hope for Desmo but (I take it) not for the rest of us. Desmo’s post showed me that he is open minded and willing to learn and change his view, 'nough said. > [@](#): > > Myself and any number of people on these boards were always skeptical that there were any WMD’s, or (at the very least) always of the view that there was so much doubt that the WMD’s existed and/or presented any real threat that war was not justified. OK pretty easy, prove it, Clinton was warning us about WMD from 98, so just provide a cite that you questioned that before then, or else your drive wheals are on a frictionless surface. > [@](#): > > Our problem is the manner in which BUSH choose to act on this supposed threat. OK, I accept this statement, it’s honest. But stepping back a bit > [@](#): > > Did Clinton invade? Clinton chose to take an attack against the US WTC as a police matter, Bush as a millitary matter, there is your difference. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/173 "2005-01-15T02:53:25Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > So what you are saying Clinton lied? Maybe he did. Is it beyond the range of your puny intellect to comprehend that just because people criticise Bush doesn’t necessarily mean that they support or love Clinton. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Desmo’s post showed me that he is open minded and willing to learn and change his view, 'nough said. Firstly, i think you overestimate the extent to which **Desmo** agrees with your position. Second, it seems, as usual, that your definition of open-minded is “someone who agrees with **kanicbird** , in contradiction to all the evidence.” > [@kanicbird](#): > > OK pretty easy, prove it, Clinton was warning us about WMD from 98, so just provide a cite that you questioned that before then, or else your drive wheals are on a frictionless surface. God you’re a moron. When will it enter your thick skull that referring to Clinton’s position is not a refutation of arguments against Bush. You are a classic example of the “I know you are, but what am i” school of debate. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Clinton chose to take an attack against the US WTC as a police matter, Bush as a millitary matter, there is your difference. Hey, shit-for-brains, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep eliding the attacks on the WTC and the war on Iraq. In case you missed it, Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the events of September 11. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/174 "2005-01-15T10:42:16Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > And advisors. And battlefield intelligence. And weapons. And WMDs. > Not as much as your willful ignorance of history. And? We supplied Iraq with weapons and know how because we knew they were losing the war, and since it was pretty much in the worlds best interest to see Iran contained, we did what we could. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/175 "2005-01-15T11:05:55Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Anybody notice that the most vocal Bush apologists have [avoided this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/misc.php?do=whoposted&threadid=296544) like the plague? Where is **Shodan** , **Sam Stone** , **Bricker** , **Debaser** _et al_ now? Could it be that even they find this turn of events shameful and indefensible? Well for about 4 months now, we’ve been reasoning, well trying to, telling you the US army isn’t the nazis in disguise, and no matter how bad GWB is, at least he has the balls to try and make up for what he did wrong in Iraq. We’ve also been trying to say that even though the majority of Iraqis want us out, they’re not dumb enough to want us to leave _before we’ve trained up there armed forces and democratic institutions_ and I personally think we owe them big time, we owe them to reconstruct what they’ve lost. Another factor is that when we present evidence, its usually blown off as inconsequencial or not worth a mention, whilst any evidence to support US blunders and mistakes is represented ad nauseum. So yes, probably the main reasons are these, we can’t get through to most of you, and when we do, you’re usually drowned out by the people who don’t want you too. No-one answered my remark on the boards about this, I support the Iraqi interim government, and I’ll support the elected government, and the Coalition in Iraq regardless, yet when I declare this, I get lauded and some people try to be pursuade me otherwise. People like Redfury, seem to want to help carry along the fact the US Army and its administration is useless in everything, I don’t mind people focusing on blunders and dumb things certain organisations have done, but people like this guy seem to make it a hobby of pointing out every mistake, I guess I’m getting tired of the portrayal of the war as being completely one sided. No one ever mentions good things from Iraq, shit, I tried to show a link to Finn Again, but he wouldn’t have any of it. His loss I guess. For all what we’ve done in Iraq, all the bad stuff, all the death all the lies, at least we gave the Iraqis the chance to decide for themselves what type of government they wanted, what type of government to represent them, at least we’re trying to make amends of our blunder. I think it will be the biggest crime to leave whilst they’re battling people like the insurgents. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/176 "2005-01-15T11:10:06Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Being a foreigner, you wouldn’t know that that was a reference to the Kerry-Bush debates televised in the US, when Kerry listed the teeny countries that were in the coalition (NOT the UK, but places like Tonga) and Bush said, “Don’t forget Poland!” This was epecially rich because Bush said it the same day that Poland announced that they were pulling out of Iraq. > > In short, you’re an uninformed moron. and you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/177 "2005-01-15T11:19:26Z")
The US won’t let them have an Iraq without permanent US bases there. Which is the one thing they all want. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/178 "2005-01-15T11:19:32Z")
Hang in there, **Ryan**. Just because you’re outnumbered, it doesn’t mean you’re wrong. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/179 "2005-01-15T11:22:41Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Just because you’re outnumbered, it doesn’t mean you’re wrong. > > 😃 Unless you are the US democratic party, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-official-there-are-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction-georgie-is-a-fucktard/284403/180 "2005-01-15T11:25:29Z")
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