# It's the official last Presidential Debate thread! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 15, 2008, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001 "2008-10-15T03:20:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/541 "2008-10-16T20:15:52Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Joe the Plumber doesn’t really like paying any taxes. That just shows that taxes are already to high??? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/542 "2008-10-16T20:24:01Z")
> [@Av8trix](#): > > That needs some ‘force’ lightning. no. it needs [this](http://b3ta.com/board/8841390) ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/543 "2008-10-16T20:28:10Z")
When he goes on a national TV show for an interview he’s obviously not mortified by publicity. He’s relishing his 15 minutes of fame. He’s probably about to announce a six-figure book deal and a nationally syndicated radio program. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/544 "2008-10-16T20:35:43Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > One of his fact checkers fucked up. The funny thing is, they fucked it up at the LAST debate, too, but Obama didn’t give it much of a response last time. This time, of course, he jumped on it and it was one of Obama’s \*\*god \*\*hits. > > -Joe (bolding mine) Oops? Or subconscious? Roddy ---
**Author:** ![IClaudius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c37758/32.png) [@IClaudius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IClaudius)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/545 "2008-10-16T21:42:46Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I would feel bad for him if he had kept his fucking ignorant lying mouth shut but the minute he pontificated about Obama “tap dancing better than Sammy Davis Jr.” and saying Obama is a “socialist” he injected himself into the public stage. Fuck him, you can’t have it both ways if you want to glurge garbage and lies on national television then too bad if some of your own dirty laundry gets aired. > > Joe the Plumber is a lying sack of shit. He had no serious plans to buy the company which consisted of exactly two people one of which was him and neither of which was licensed to work in their county. He is behind on his current taxes. He would not realistically be negatively affected by Obama’s tax plan. He apparently has ties to charle Keating. He can kis my ass. Yeah, that’s my feeling too. I mean, what kind of person lies about making $200,000 more than they do and having an intention and capacity to buy a business just to make a political attack. I wouldn’t mind if he was just honestly ignorant about Obama’s plan, but he’s clearly running an agenda. Obama gave the guy a very courteous and detailed answer to his question, even though it was pretty clear he was overtly hostile to him, and then he goes and runs to conservative web sites, AM radio shockjocks and Fox to misrepresent the conversation and say his talking points. But when the mainstream press are involved he suddenly acts all coy about his voting intentions to try to keep the story going. Going by his comments, he’s ostensibly a supporter of flat taxes, yet he doesn’t even have the intellectual honesty criticise the status quo taxation system and John McCain’s plan in equal measure for having a progressive structure, which by his own rhetoric somehow punishes the hardworking. Let’s face it, he’s a shill who is playing up a sense of false entitlement over some imagined future position of wealth. He’s a walking real life caricature from What’s The Matter With Kansas. ---
**Author:** ![davidw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@davidw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidw)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/546 "2008-10-16T23:28:31Z")
> [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](#): > > no. it needs [this](http://b3ta.com/board/8841390) Or maybe [this](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SPe3E1CqYxI/AAAAAAAACuA/S3deKhdM44g/s1600-h/evolution_DA.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/547 "2008-10-16T23:41:12Z")
> [@davidw](#): > > Or maybe [this](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SPe3E1CqYxI/AAAAAAAACuA/S3deKhdM44g/s1600-h/evolution_DA.jpg). Ow. I think I just sprained my nose laughing. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/548 "2008-10-17T00:04:54Z")
> [@](#): > > originally posted by D **ianaG** : > **gonzomax** , what are you doing to end pancreatic cancer RIGHT NOW? > > There are a lot of reasons to dislike Sarah Palin. Being human isn’t one of them. Everyone is abstractly for “helping” people with diseases, injuries, etc. The vast majority people don’t adopt any particular disease or injury as a cause (or even significantly educate themselves about it) until they personally know someone affected by it. > > You just made me defend Sarah Palin. There’s a special place in hell for that, you know. Let me see if I can help you out, **Diana**. I think the issue is not that we should mock Palin because she suddenly has new insight into the issues that parents of Down’s Syndrome babies face (and I wonder if she actually does, but that is a separate subject). The issue to mock is her _political opportunism_, particularly when the “Sarah Palin is compassionate about special needs kids” message appears to be at odds with her actual record as governor. There is something exceedingly distasteful about using her baby’s condition to such blatant political ends. If you are so inclined, feel free to say that the above is what you really meant, and you weren’t really defending Palin. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/549 "2008-10-17T00:13:55Z")
> [@fessie](#): > > Joe the Plumber has no plumbing license > > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/) > Which makes sense since he’s related to Charles Keating and just might be buds with McCain: This just gets better and better every day. Everything McCain does blows up in his face. 😃 > [@Jophiel](#): > > Well, all those blinks, eye rolls & grimaces proved [good for something](http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1859660952) (link leads to video) That’s a great ad, especially the end line. > [@davidw](#): > > Or maybe [this](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SPe3E1CqYxI/AAAAAAAACuA/S3deKhdM44g/s1600-h/evolution_DA.jpg). Excellent job, sir. \*This multi-quote thing is awesome! ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/550 "2008-10-17T00:39:11Z")
> [@fessie](#): > > Joe the Plumber has no plumbing license > > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/) > Which makes sense since he’s related to Charles Keating and just might be buds with McCain: Any evidence of a close relationship other than speculative blog postings? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/551 "2008-10-17T00:47:15Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > Any evidence of a close relationship other than speculative blog postings? Nope, just the contrary: [http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600) ---
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/552 "2008-10-17T01:03:05Z")
[I have always wondered about McCain](http://www.afroimages.org/files/r7nvoouqaei8fxqf6ape.jpg).\:D:D The McCain campaign thinks they are cunning and champions of slandering people by taking words and associations out of context. One thing they should know is that John McCain has lived longer than Barack Obama, and as a result has more history, associations and words that one can take out of context or put in context and still make a case of an immoral and unethical person, not that one has to struggle hard where John Sydney M,cCain is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/553 "2008-10-17T01:09:25Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > Nope, just the contrary: [http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600) Read the comments, it’s a work in progress. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/554 "2008-10-17T01:16:01Z")
[Tee-hee, it’s even better w/ my girlfriend’s text.](http://lafayette.momslikeme.com/members/ScrapbookActions.aspx?m=2382749&g=607253) I dunno, the Keating thing might be a reach. How did McCain even know about Obama’s conversation w/JtP? Why was that even covered? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/555 "2008-10-17T01:30:07Z")
It’s enough for me that Joe is not a plumber and has a tax lien (he’s true to himself there: me no pay taxes!). The whole Keating thing is too sublime for this world… It had a beautiful symmetry, though–like book ends to a political career. Word on the street (ok, the 6 other nurses I work for–3 Filipinos, 1 black, 1 white and me)–McCain dug his own grave re the “health” of the mother. Not all of us are pro-choice, either. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/556 "2008-10-17T01:34:58Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > regarding plumbers, they don’t just run pretty tub and sink lines, they deal with toilets and “poo pits”. when you deal with toilets and the items there in you can’t be paid too much. Very true. My brother had to get hepatitis vaccines because of exposure to feces. I’ve helped him on various jobs including cutting apart hundred year old cast iron pipes filled with fossilized turds. It is a tough job. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/557 "2008-10-17T02:15:36Z")
[QUOTE=rockingchair] regarding plumbers, they don’t just run pretty tub and sink lines, they deal with toilets and “poo pits”. when you deal with toilets and the items there in you can’t be paid too much. [/QUOTE] > [@gaffa](#): > > Very true. My brother had to get hepatitis vaccines because of exposure to feces. I’ve helped him on various jobs including cutting apart hundred year old cast iron pipes filled with fossilized turds. It is a tough job. Hey, y’all are talking to a _nurse_. I know from poop, believe me, and my wage is not near (enough) to a plumber’s. I wanna make what Joe/Sam/Plumber/Non-Plumber makes! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/558 "2008-10-17T02:34:57Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Hey, y’all are talking to a _nurse_. I know from poop, believe me, and my wage is not near (enough) to a plumber’s I spoke with a woman at work who cleans up the kids bath rooms; her wages for such exposure are even less appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/559 "2008-10-17T02:39:29Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I spoke with a woman at work who cleans up the kids bath rooms; her wages for such exposure are even less appropriate. God, yes. :eek: ☹ (then again, I clean my family bathrooms for free, so…). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001/560 "2008-10-17T02:52:03Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > God, yes. :eek: ☹ (then again, I clean my family bathrooms for free, so…). 🙂 Well, yes, but malicious little bastards that flush wads of paper towels down the toilet after they defecate on the floor… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-the-official-last-presidential-debate-thread/468001.md?page=29)