# It's things like this that leave one mistrustful of the cops (RO)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [May 10, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586 "2007-05-10T19:58:19Z")
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### Author:  [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/1 "2007-05-10T19:58:19Z")
Ahh… the smell of the double standard. How I love it.
What we have [here](http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/NEWS02/705100450) is an apparant instance of another cop being caught using his position for his personal gain. According this article no one seems to be denying that the former policeman involved had been getting his pot (and at least once his wife got coke) from confiscated or training supplies.
He also had the great good sense to call up 911 to call for help because he was afraid he and his wife were about to die from ODing on pot brownies. Over a year ago.
And this past week he was allowed to resign from the force without any further punishment. And without any indictments.
To reiterate, it’s behavior like this, where the Blue Line of silence seems to be going into effect to protect an obvious shit stain that leaves a depressingly large segment of the population convinced that cops are just another variety of gang. In some ways worse than the Crips because they can count on far more protection should their nefarious acts ever come to light.
So a hearty Fuck You to former Cpl. Edward Sanchez, for being the sort of shit who’d use his position of trust in such a manner.
And a Glowing, Radioactive, Caustic Enema Fuck You to Dearborn Police Cmdr. Jeff Geisinger for trying to let this shit stain go without any prosecution at all. I hope this explodes all over your face, jerk.
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/2 "2007-05-10T21:07:53Z")
[QUOTE=OtakuLoki]
So a hearty Fuck You to former Cpl. Edward **Sanchez** , for being the sort of **shit** who’d use his position of trust in such a manner.
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So you’re saying he might be a dirty cop?
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### Author:  [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/3 "2007-05-10T21:13:34Z")
[QUOTE=Ludovic]
So you’re saying he might be a dirty cop?
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Rarely do I laugh out loud at print on my computer screen. Bravo.
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### Author:  [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/4 "2007-05-10T21:27:25Z")
“If you’re a cop and you’re arresting people and you’re confiscating the marijuana and keeping it yourself, that’s bad. That’s real bad. That’s like apprehending a bank robber and keeping some of the money for yourself.”
I agree any theft by a cop is wrong, but I don’t agree at all with this quote form the link. Pot that is going to be burned anyway, does it matter who burns it? 🙂 Not the same as taking money from a bank robber at all. It’s not “real bad”. On my list of bad things a cop can do, smoking confiscated pot is pretty low on the list.
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### Author:  [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/5 "2007-05-10T21:35:02Z")
I’m going to say that if it was pot in the brownies he’d have to be an idiot to think it was possible to OD. The LD50 for marijuana is 1400 mg/kg for males and 700 mg/kg for females [Cite](http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/nc1e.htm) . A 50 kg woman would have to consume 35 grams of marijuana to get a lethal dose. He’d have to eat twice that. That’s an ounce and a third of marijuana for the woman, hell, the brownies probably would have killed her first.
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### Author:  [@harmless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harmless)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/6 "2007-05-10T21:48:45Z")
But what a way to go! 😃
And I thought ‘death by chocolate’ was merely a dessert.
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### Author:  [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/7 "2007-05-10T21:55:36Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door]
I’m going to say that if it was pot in the brownies he’d have to be an idiot to think it was possible to OD. The LD50 for marijuana is 1400 mg/kg for males and 700 mg/kg for females [Cite](http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/nc1e.htm) . A 50 kg woman would have to consume 35 grams of marijuana to get a lethal dose. He’d have to eat twice that. That’s an ounce and a third of marijuana for the woman, hell, the brownies probably would have killed her first.
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Yes, but as the dose of THC increases, you’re riding not one, but **two** curves: likelihood of death by overdose, and **paranoia**.
I mean, I’ve smoked enough before that I started to freak out and think I was ODing fatally, even though I knew in my mind that it was a virtual impossibility. I can imagine what the cop must have started thinking: _oh shit, this must be one of those ultra-potent strains. Oh god, maybe this stuff was laced with PCP or ketamine or something. Oh, shit I’m dying I’m dying I’mdyingimdyingimdyingimdying…_
😃
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/8 "2007-05-10T22:22:47Z")
I’d have to assume he was having paranoid fears about it being laced with something, otherwise he is a complete idiot. As opposed to an almost total idiot.
See, when that happens and you start saying “oh man, I think that shit was LACED!” that’s when you need a level-headed stoner friend there to laugh and say “chill, dude, you’re just freaking.” But being a dumb pot-smoking cop, he ate them with his dumb wife instead.
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### Author:  [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/9 "2007-05-11T01:35:34Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp]
Oh, shit I’m dying I’m dying I’mdyingimdyingimdyingimdying…\*
😃
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They played his 911 call he made while freaking out, he said something not unlike this very thing, but first he asked the score of the Hockey game.
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/10 "2007-05-11T01:48:27Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp]
Yes, but as the dose of THC increases, you’re riding not one, but **two** curves: likelihood of death by overdose, and **paranoia**.
… 😃
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There is ZERO likelihood of death by THC overdose.
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/11 "2007-05-11T03:22:57Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door]
I’m going to say that if it was pot in the brownies he’d have to be an idiot to think it was possible to OD. The LD50 for marijuana is 1400 mg/kg for males and 700 mg/kg for females [Cite](http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/nc1e.htm) . A 50 kg woman would have to consume 35 grams of marijuana to get a lethal dose. He’d have to eat twice that. That’s an ounce and a third of marijuana for the woman, hell, the brownies probably would have killed her first.
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:rolleyes: Right,
from your cite
> [@](#):
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> … Although **a median lethal dose has not been established in man** (Brill et al., 1970), one has been found in laboratory animals. Earlier reports (Lowe, 1946; Joachimoglu, 1965) used materials of uncertain potency and composition. Recent studies utilized carefully quantified materials. One group, Phillips et al. (1971), utilizing THC extracted from marihuana, demonstrated the following LD50 (the dose that causes death in 50% of the animals) in units of mg/kg of Delta 9 THC from mice,/rats: oral 481.9/666, intraperitoneal 454-9/ 372.9, intravenous 28.6/42.47.
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> Thompson et al. (1971) under contract to the National Institute of Mental Health have recently carried out extensive studies in rats, dogs and monkeys in order to define the range of toxicity of the drug. The group used synthetic Delta 9 and A’ THC and a crude marihuana extract (CME) of carefully define composition. Delta 9 THC was more potent than Al THC. CME was less potent than a similar quantity of A’ THC.
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> **Acute toxicity was studied using intravenous, intraperitoneal and oral routes of administration in rats. An LD50 similar to that reported by Phillips et al. (1971) was found by the intravenous route (20 mg/kg of THC) and intraperitoneal route (400 mg/kg) but higher values were noted with oral administration (1140 mg/kg). Interestingly, the LD50 for males was 1400 mg/kg while for females it was 700 mg/kg by the oral route.** The minimal lethal dose orally was between 225 and 450 mg/kg.
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> An LD50 was not attainable in monkeys and dogs by the oral route. Enormous dose levels (over 3000 mg/kg of Delta 9 THC) were administered without lethality to most animals. A dose of about 1000 mg/kg THC was the lowest dose which caused death in any animals The completeness of intestinal absorption of THC at these high doses is unknown. …
rats, dogs and monkeys, dude, rats, dogs and monkeys.
> [@](#):
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> … In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.
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> **The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.** …
[RIGHT] **Bold** = **CMC** [/RIGHT]CMC fnord!
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### Author:  [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/12 "2007-05-11T05:09:27Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn]
I agree any theft by a cop is wrong, but I don’t agree at all with this quote form the link. Pot that is going to be burned anyway, does it matter who burns it? 🙂 Not the same as taking money from a bank robber at all. It’s not “real bad”. On my list of bad things a cop can do, smoking confiscated pot is pretty low on the list.
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The person they confisicated from (who was gonna harmlessly burn it in much the same way) now has a felony arrest on his record, may do prison time and may face seizure of his personal property depending on the state law.
The same should happen to this cop.
Don’t get me wrong. I think that pot should be 100% legal. But the laws are supposed to apply to everyone equally.
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### Author:  [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/13 "2007-05-11T13:00:22Z")
[QUOTE=spooje]
The person they confisicated from (who was gonna harmlessly burn it in much the same way) now has a felony arrest on his record, may do prison time and may face seizure of his personal property depending on the state law.
The same should happen to this cop.
Don’t get me wrong. I think that pot should be 100% legal. But the laws are supposed to apply to everyone equally.
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I agree with you totally. Its just of all the bad things a cop can do, stealing confiscated pot is not _that_ bad, as its going to be disposed of anyway. A bit like taking something out of someone elses trash 🙂
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/14 "2007-05-11T13:19:29Z")
“ro” ??
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### Author:  [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/15 "2007-05-11T13:26:11Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly]
“ro” ??
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:smack: I only figured it out from the other thread but I think it’s Righteous Outrage, which apparently has to be included like TMI now. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/16 "2007-05-11T13:44:32Z")
You can [listen to the 911 call here](http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/NEWS02/705100450/1004), it is hilarious!
**“Time is going really, really, really slow!”**
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### Author:  [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/17 "2007-05-11T13:52:34Z")
[QUOTE=gigi]
:smack: I only figured it out from the other thread but I think it’s Righteous Outrage, which apparently has to be included like TMI now. :rolleyes:
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Recreational. Coined by someone who was tired of being forced to read threads that weren’t very personal.
My RO on this would be at about a six, but the story of how it unfolded is so freakin’ hilarious that it ends up at around a 1.327.
Anyone have any potato chips? Cookies? I think the FBI planted bugs in my furniture.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/18 "2007-05-11T13:53:29Z")
[QUOTE=gigi]
:smack: I only figured it out from the other thread but I think it’s Righteous Outrage, which apparently has to be included like TMI now. :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
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### Author:  [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/19 "2007-05-11T14:02:24Z")
[QUOTE=tdn]
Anyone have any potato chips? Cookies? I think the FBI planted bugs in my furniture.
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Yeah, man. Bugs. Like big spiders or something. Metal spiders. That transmit my thoughts to the alien data bank at FBI HQ. Whoa.
As for the the cop from the OP, well, maybe it’s better to go out in a “blaze” of ignominy than a blaze of glory?
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### Author:  [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2007, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-things-like-this-that-leave-one-mistrustful-of-the-cops-ro/403586/20 "2007-05-11T14:23:53Z")
[QUOTE=tdn]
Anyone have any potato chips? Cookies? I think the FBI planted bugs in my furniture.
[/QUOTE]
I haven’t smoked pot but I’m assuming there must be an up side to it as well as all this paranoia?
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