# It's Time Again for Stoid! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375 "2015-12-04T03:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/241 "2015-12-16T21:58:29Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > There’s a huge difference between occasionally sharing a small amount of a drug with someone close to you who you know has a legitimate use for it and casually sharing a variety of often abused drugs with people you barely know. “My friend needed one more tablet than usual this month, so I gave her one I’m not using” is really different than “My friend had a bad experience, so I brought her Valium” or “the guy who unreliably does yardwork said he needed Xanax, so I lent him some”. I agree. Of course, the criminal law sees no such distinction. > [@Pantastic](#): > > Sharing prescription drugs is already illegal in every state AFAIK. Do you know of any where it isn’t? Indeed. Not just illegal, but federal pound-you-in-the-ass illegal. And it is the kind of sentiment expressed in this thread that prevents reform to that tragedy of a policy. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/242 "2015-12-16T23:56:07Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Not just illegal, but federal pound-you-in-the-ass illegal. Quaint. Seems that stupid meme will never die. By the way, speeding and sharing controlled substances are different classes of illegal behavior, aren’t they? And, no, I will not speed to work today; in a few moments, I will walk across the quad from my dorm to my office. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/243 "2015-12-17T00:06:30Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Quaint. Seems that stupid meme will never die. I’ll ignore your insult to Office Space and make this observation: while perhaps juvenile, I chose the quote from that fine film to emphasize that your policy preferences would subject people like Stoid to high risk of rape and other tortures. In my view, if we should be sending people to jail for consensual behavior at all, it should only be after we make sure we aren’t going to get them raped in the process. Sadly, most drug warriors would rather spend that money hiring more DEA agents. > [@Monty](#): > > By the way, speeding and sharing controlled substances are different classes of illegal behavior, aren’t they? And, no, I will not speed to work today; in a few moments, I will walk across the quad from my dorm to my office. Yes. Not sure why that matters here, or whether it’s an evidence-based approach to crime. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/244 "2015-12-17T13:15:31Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I’ll ignore your insult to Office Space and make this observation: while perhaps juvenile, I chose the quote from that fine film Never saw the flick. > [@](#): > > to emphasize that your policy preferences would subject people like Stoid to high risk of rape and other tortures. My policy preferences? Care to show where I suggested that I have a stated preference on how those who distribute drugs should be treated? > [@](#): > > In my view, if we should be sending people to jail for consensual behavior at all, it should only be after we make sure we aren’t going to get them raped in the process. Do yourself a solid and search my posts to see how I believe anyone at all who is incarcerated should be treated and what I think the government’s responsibility is to those it incarcerates regardless of the crime that occasioned such incarceration. > [@](#): > > Sadly, most drug warriors would rather spend that money hiring more DEA agents. And how do you figure that I’m one of those “drug warriors”? > [@](#): > > Yes. Not sure why that matters here, or whether it’s an evidence-based approach to crime. 'Twas a direct answer to the question about speeding to work. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/245 "2015-12-17T14:39:49Z")
I made a reasonable inference about your position from your posts in the thread. If it was unwarranted, you are free to clarify. Do you think it unjust that **Stoid** ’s behavior is deemed worthy of throwing a human into a poorly managed cage? Is it that you’re fine with the caging aspect, but just think there should be a little less rape? Enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/246 "2015-12-17T15:02:55Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I must have grown up very sheltered because it is a grave offense in my mind to take a prescription medication when you don’t have a valid script for it and in my circle of family and friends that is simply Not Done. Me too. I mean, I _might_ share meds with my fiancée, who lives in the same house as me, but it would be a stopgap measure at best. Like, he couldn’t make it to the doctor until Monday, so here’s some cough syrup with codeine to get him through the weekend. We don’t have Valium or Xanax prescriptions so I don’t even have that experience. But, my mom was a nurse, and that’s where I got my aversion to sharing meds. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/247 "2015-12-17T15:16:04Z")
The problem with sharing prescription meds is that, if you get it wrong, serious injury is possible. That’s why our society invented the whole “prescription” thing in the first place - even for meds that aren’t dangerously addictive: so a trained medical professional can supervise. When untrained folks share, the person handing out the drugs and the person taking them may well have no idea if there are any drug-drug interactions or other contraindications for taking this particular drug. For drugs that are addictive, obviously the problems are worse - people seeking these drugs may be less reliable as to whether the drug is likely to be dangerous for them, willing to act responsibly in only taking a safe dosage, etc. I’m a whole-hearted believer that our current policy towards the purely recreational use of various drugs is misguided - in part, exactly because it encourages dangerous behaviors (let alone locking people up for what ought to be regulatory offences, encouraging organized crime, etc.). However, even in my preferred system, it would not be a free-for-all. Sharing or drugs (particularly addictive ones) is a bad idea because it may be dangerous and because it negatively impacts the availability of these drugs to those who actually need them for medical conditions. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/248 "2015-12-17T15:21:47Z")
I agree, **Malthus**. There’s a whole world between free-for-all and “throw 'em in the cage.” One part of that world is obviously having the prescriptions system at all. Another is education. Another is civil liability–if Stoid’s friend drives a car into a school bus high on Vicodin or has a nasty drug interaction with Xanax, Stoid can and should be held civilly liable. Another is making sure that we are careful about what drugs are controlled. Drugs with dangers and side effects less than caffeine or alcohol or acetaminophen probably ought to be OTC. What troubled me about this thread was the seeming smugness with which people talked about Stoid’s potential “incarceration”–a euphemism that sanitizes what we’re actually doing when we sentence people to American-style prison in 2015. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/249 "2015-12-17T15:32:47Z")
I fall on the ‘don’t share’ side, too, except in very limited circumstances. Like, if I had some left over pain pills and someone suffered a horribly painful injury and there was a no-way-to-get-to- a-doctor crisis going on… yeah. Actually, there WAS one time I did share my prescription medicines: my sister and I both have high blood pressure, and we are both prescribed exactly the same dosage of Lisinopril for it. I didn’t hesitate to lend her some pills when the airlines lost her luggage. But I doubt anyone would see any harm or danger in those circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/250 "2015-12-17T15:51:39Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > That was quite an interesting set of cites, Stoid. > > So how do you account for the fact that I’ve been getting my Adderall without incident or scrutiny for a dozen years and you have DEA issues? > > Could it have something to do with the fact that I follow the law and you don’t? I’ll back her up, here. The only reason I don’t have problems getting my prescriptions\* is that I’ve found a tiny family-owned pharmacy that is mostly used by patients of the family-owned medical practice in the same building. Before finding them, I would say that there would be at _least_ 3 months of every year (since being diagnosed in 2010) where finding a pharmacy that had any was like finding a specific needle in a needle stack. It wasn’t unusual for me to call 8-10 pharmacies for every.damn.scrip before finding ONE place that could fill it. Sometimes even calling to ask if they had it would apparently sound like ~_~_~suspicious druuuuug seeking behavior~_~_~. Apparently you need to physically go to those 8-10 pharmacies and get told you’re out of luck in person? Ugh. And I’m someone who regularly makes a 30 day scrip last 45-60 days\*\*, which I’d think wouldn’t exactly scream seeker/abuser. - being a schedule II drug means that you cannot have any refills. Your doctor can’t call or fax it in, either. And no 90 day prescriptions. You need an on-paper written prescription to physically hand over to the pharmacy every.single.month. (Including this as a general FYI to the thread, not directly at you, **Green Bean** ). \*\* sometimes taking, as my doc calls them, “drug holidays” – meaning that I’ll stop using them for a week-ish. Or often intentionally rationing them precisely because of the fucking shortages. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/251 "2015-12-17T16:22:14Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Apparently you need to physically go to those 8-10 pharmacies and get told you’re out of luck in person? THIS makes me so crazy… I don’t own a car, I almost always get a ride to Costco from my best friend who is not exactly the world’s most patient person, also very busy. So I need to bug her to take me there so you can tell me it was a wasted trip WHY exactly? I fill this scrip every freaking month for years, PLEASE just tell me if I am wasting my damn time, PLEASE… (I have found that calling an hour later and getting a different person, or just explaining the situation can usually overcome this, though… and lately the supplies have been reliable. But for a couple of years it was a monthly song and dance…) ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/252 "2015-12-17T16:38:22Z")
Nonsense. You live in LA. The MTA goes just about anywhere during business hours. Not to mention there are pharmacies on just about every corner. Get your prescription for sodium pentothal filled before you post about your drug abusing habits. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/253 "2015-12-17T18:04:34Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Another is civil liability–if Stoid’s friend drives a car into a school bus high on Vicodin or has a nasty drug interaction with Xanax, Stoid can and should be held civilly liable. No worries. Stoid is an experienced litigator. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/254 "2015-12-17T18:29:57Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > he MTA goes just about anywhere during business hours. Not to mention there are pharmacies on just about every corner. Get your prescription for sodium pentothal filled before you post about your drug abusing habits. [smacking her forearm to get the vein to come up nice and plump] No way, man! I gotta get back to the schoolyard with the dope! I’ve got kids to corrupt, who has time for buses? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/255 "2015-12-17T20:47:13Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I made a reasonable inference about your position from your posts in the thread. No, you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/256 "2015-12-17T20:56:51Z")
Without going through the entire chain… Look, I have issues with my local Walmart pharmacy keeping my very common drugs in stock. It’s like every third month they tell me they don’t have enough Januvia or Trazadone to fill my prescription. I’ve also been sent there with brand spanking new pain prescriptions, only to find they don’t have enough on hand. Last time it was a prescription for all of 12 Tylenol-3 and they didn’t have them on hand. Had to get them two days later. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/257 "2015-12-17T21:07:02Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > No, you didn’t. And yet, you still fail to take my invitation to clarify. Maybe it’s the case that you felt comfortable taunting Stoid and saying she would only learn from incarceration, but you in fact oppose that unjust system. It just seems doubtful given the tension between those sentiments. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/258 "2015-12-17T23:10:11Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I’ve also been sent there with brand spanking new pain prescriptions, only to find they don’t have enough on hand. Last time it was a prescription for all of 12 Tylenol-3 and they didn’t have them on hand. Had to get them two days later. Was it the Rite Aid on Temple Avenue in Newnan, Georgia? If so, I think I know [why they were short](http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/pharmacist-accused-of-stealing-pills-allegedly-fou/npmBY/). ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/259 "2015-12-18T01:06:30Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Yeah, I remember. [“I ruined my dog and now she’s broken”, wasn’t it?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=763206) So let’s recap: you had a dog you were too lazy and selfish to train, you were too unfit to walk it, too broke to afford the vet bills, and your vet wouldn’t trust you with its medication anyway, so it died. Oh yeah, and while we’re on the subject of people who don’t train their dogs, [fuck you, you hypocritical bitch.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=641258) > [@](#): > > Okay, so here’s the broken part: somewhere in her first 6-9 months, I just stopped making any attempt to make her stay in her crate, even though for awhile she was handling it pretty decently. I just loved sleeping with her too much, she was too cuddly. > > Secondly, I completely screwed the pooch on teaching her to be separate from me, and particularly separate from Preston and me. In the course of my daily life, I very rarely leave the house, and I just utterly failed to make it a point to do so to get her acclimated to it. > [@](#): > > And while we’re on the subject of untrained little dogs, it is also obnoxious for you to not housetrain your little dog, just because its turds are small and its puddles tiny. It’s still fucking nasty. It’s only slightly less nasty for you to train it to use paper or pads. Dogs should relieve themselves outdoors, they also need to be walked for stimulation and exercise, and if you can’t be bothered, you shouldn’t have a dog. > > I know so many people who have little dogs they never bothered to train. If you have a little dog that thinks it’s okay to snarl and snap and crap anywhere it likes, you should be embarrassed. So, **Stoid** , do you finally agree with yourself that you shouldn’t have a dog? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/260 "2015-12-18T01:55:17Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Oh yeah, and while we’re on the subject of people who don’t train their dogs, _ **We** _ weren’t on that subject at all Penfeather. We were on the subjects of my torturing the dying, how I should be thrown in jail and sued, what meds are used for epilepsy, what a pain in the ass it is to fill Adderall prescriptions, the fact that the DEA has eyes and ears everywhere and they are making a list, checking it twice, the thoroughly fucked up American penal system (which totally constitutes cruel and unusual punishment by its very existence…) and stuff like that there. > [@Penfeather](#): > > So, **Stoid** , do you finally agree with yourself that you shouldn’t have a dog? It’s clear that you are feeling all het up, (your posts are starting to arrive a bit spittle-flecked) and I guess it’s understandable when you are so consistently and thoroughly confused. Let me try to help you out… One of These Things is Not Like The Other: •Dogs that have been permitted to treat the inside of the house like a toilet because its too hard and complicated to stop them from being filthy. •Dogs that have been permitted to snarl, snap, and bite people because it’s too hard and complicated to stop them from being violent. •Dogs that have been permitted to cuddle in bed with the rest of the family because it’s too hard to force them be alone and lonely when they are so sweet and delicious. Is your fog lifting at all? Look, if you still need more help grokking the difference between the weakness of succumbing to the emotional and tactile rewards of a beloved dog’s warmth and affection, vs. the weakness of tolerating filth and violence because it’s too hard to change, I don’t think I will be able to do more, it’s so self evident I can’t think of ways to make it any clearer…Sorry, man, I did my best… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375.md?page=14)