# It's Time Again for Stoid! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375 "2015-12-04T03:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/161 "2015-12-11T23:19:42Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The “something” I get is not getting arrested for distributing controlled substances either in person or through the mails. I find that much better than a gold star. Well, I also don’t get arrested, yet have indulged in the exquisite pleasure of illicit substances many times in the past. I can say from experience you have definitely missed out. You should at least take the gold star. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/162 "2015-12-11T23:23:02Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Wow, you should get a gold star or something! One thing’s for sure: should **Monty** require pain medication in the United States, he’ll have a problem getting it. Partly due to the Puritan ethic, and partly due to people like **stoid**. I hope **stoid** is happy that people who are _dying_ have problems keeping their pain controlled due to people like her. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/163 "2015-12-12T02:07:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You seem like a smart enough lady so why is it that you don’t see that these mile long cut’pastes “proving” you’re right and casual admission of prescription pill sharing make you look like a pill poppin’ nutter? Because **Stoid** has the mentality of an entitled 3 year old who simply cannot see any connection between her behaviour and being denied something. If a toddler could produce cites for why Mummy _has_ to give them a biscuit, they would; as it is, **Stoid** ’s inevitable pages of references, cites, qualifications, definitions and explanations just boil down to her shouting BUT I WANT IT! YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO ME! YOU’RE MEAN AND I HATE YOU! at the world. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/164 "2015-12-12T02:14:07Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Anal Pot Brownies Uh, dude? Those aren’t brownies… ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/165 "2015-12-12T03:14:15Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Anal Pot Brownies That’s like, just your supposition, man… …or was that suppository? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/166 "2015-12-12T07:05:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The “something” I get is not getting arrested for distributing controlled substances either in person or through the mails. I find that much better than a gold star. > [@Frank](#): > > One thing’s for sure: should **Monty** require pain medication in the United States, he’ll have a problem getting it. Partly due to the Puritan ethic, and partly due to people like **stoid**. > > I hope **stoid** is happy that people who are _dying_ have problems keeping their pain controlled due to people like her. > [@Penfeather](#): > > Because **Stoid** has the mentality of an entitled 3 year old who simply cannot see any connection between her behaviour and being denied something. If a toddler could produce cites for why Mummy _has_ to give them a biscuit, they would; as it is, **Stoid** ’s inevitable pages of references, cites, qualifications, definitions and explanations just boil down to her shouting BUT I WANT IT! YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO ME! YOU’RE MEAN AND I HATE YOU! at the world. This thread has gone from the proverbial sublime to the ridiculous. Can a thread be turned into a parody AFTER the OP? 'Cos this one is a delicious example of such. Keep going fellas…you’re entertaining me on this boring Aussie Saturday night. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/167 "2015-12-12T07:25:05Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > One thing’s for sure: should **Monty** require pain medication in the United States, he’ll have a problem getting it. Partly due to the Puritan ethic, and partly due to people like **stoid**. > > I hope **stoid** is happy that people who are _dying_ have problems keeping their pain controlled due to people like her. Wow. You are just frustrated as hell, aren’t you? Take some comfort in the fact that I _also_ suffer because of others abuse and misuse, which is far more egregious and rampant than my relaxed approach has ever aspired to. I have ADD and aside from the endless hoops that must be jumped through (Adderall being Schedule II and all, Costco pharmacy goes over my prescriptions with a microscope, then they check with some master list and the DEA and they track my every move when it comes to filling my prescriptions for any stimulants.) my medication simply vanishes altogether at times. The government actually rations the raw ingredients to make it and the pharmaceutical companies just can’t fill the demand. Demand which is greatly inflated by students and others not merely sharing it and selling it, but they are using it for the benefits without having any of the actual issues for which it is legitimately prescribed. (And I can already see the posts questioning the legitimacy of my diagnosis… certain things are as reliable as the sun rising and setting…) > [@madsircool](#): > > Anal Pot Brownies madsircool! You’re back! I’m sorry, I must have missed your post withdrawing your false assertions, can you point it out? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/168 "2015-12-12T07:26:06Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/169 "2015-12-12T15:18:19Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Except that never happened, remember? I’m terribly, terribly sorry that I got a minor detail in a thread on the internet from three weeks ago confused with a detail in another thread by the same person. You only assembled the letter with your cites, you didn’t actually send it to the vet, so I guess you annoyed the vet a little less than I thought, certainly less than you did people in the other threads of yours. The fact that you keep nitpicking really specific details is not unexpected. > [@](#): > > You know, I have absolutely no way to prove it, but I feel confident that there are persons among those decrying the sharing of prescription meds because it is illegal who have smoked plenty of pot in their lives and never let the illegality of that trouble them too much. But we’ll never know… This is a psychological phenomenon called ‘projection;’ you use drugs in a casual way, and refuse to believe that people who don’t actually don’t. I’d post a link, but I expect you’ll cut and paste half a dozen copies of the definition from somewhere before it’s all over. There really are people who don’t smoke pot, and people who don’t ‘loan’ Xanax to the guy doing yard work, and who don’t bring syringes of dog ass valium to dose someone up who had a hard time. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/170 "2015-12-12T15:36:29Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > madsircool! You’re back! I’m sorry, I must have missed your post withdrawing your false assertions, can you point it out? To busy [trying to troll **astro**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18931286&postcount=43), I guess. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/171 "2015-12-12T17:11:50Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Wow. You are just frustrated as hell, aren’t you? > > Take some comfort in the fact that I _also_ suffer because of others abuse and misuse, which is far more egregious and rampant than my relaxed approach has ever aspired to. I have ADD and aside from the endless hoops that must be jumped through (Adderall being Schedule II and all, Costco pharmacy goes over my prescriptions with a microscope, then they check with some master list and the DEA and they track my every move when it comes to filling my prescriptions for any stimulants.) my medication simply vanishes altogether at times. The government actually rations the raw ingredients to make it and the pharmaceutical companies just can’t fill the demand. Demand which is greatly inflated by students and others not merely sharing it and selling it, but they are using it for the benefits without having any of the actual issues for which it is legitimately prescribed. (And I can already see the posts questioning the legitimacy of my diagnosis… certain things are as reliable as the sun rising and setting…) > > madsircool! You’re back! I’m sorry, I must have missed your post withdrawing your false assertions, can you point it out? Do you ever share your adderall ? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/172 "2015-12-12T20:21:47Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > my medication simply vanishes altogether at times. That’s what you get for having a drug dealing dog. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/173 "2015-12-12T21:22:26Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I have ADD and aside from the endless hoops that must be jumped through (Adderall being Schedule II and all, Costco pharmacy goes over my prescriptions with a microscope, then they check with some master list and the DEA and they track my every move when it comes to filling my prescriptions for any stimulants.) my medication simply vanishes altogether at times. The government actually rations the raw ingredients to make it and the pharmaceutical companies just can’t fill the demand. Demand which is greatly inflated by students and others not merely sharing it and selling it, but they are using it for the benefits without having any of the actual issues for which it is legitimately prescribed. (And I can already see the posts questioning the legitimacy of my diagnosis… certain things are as reliable as the sun rising and setting…) Well, while I’m probably in the minority and will certainly get flak for saying this, I am pretty skeptical as to the legitimacy of the ADD/ADHD “condition”, period. It’s a “disease” that apparently never existed for millions of years of human history, and still only exists mostly in developed wealthy countries that can afford designer pharmaceutical speed to “treat” it, conveniently. Which of course has made Big Pharma billions of bucks since it became a major pop culture fad to have ADHD. I’ve had Adderall and of course it helps people focus, because it’s speed. Everyone has trouble focusing on boring shit for extended periods of time, especially kids, who get prescribed it the most. You talk about there being shortages of it, but that’s probably because everyone and their mother has a 'script for it. At least when I was in school, you couldn’t spit without hitting someone who was diagnosed with ADHD and got prescription speed for it. The whole thing has always just seemed really dicey to me. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/174 "2015-12-12T21:43:17Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Take some comfort in the fact that I _also_ suffer because of others abuse and misuse, which is far more egregious and rampant than my relaxed approach has ever aspired to. I have ADD and aside from the endless hoops that must be jumped through (Adderall being Schedule II and all, Costco pharmacy goes over my prescriptions with a microscope, then they check with some master list and the DEA and they track my every move when it comes to filling my prescriptions for any stimulants.) my medication simply vanishes altogether at times. The government actually rations the raw ingredients to make it and the pharmaceutical companies just can’t fill the demand. Demand which is greatly inflated by students and others not merely sharing it and selling it, but they are using it for the benefits without having any of the actual issues for which it is legitimately prescribed. (And I can already see the posts questioning the legitimacy of my diagnosis… certain things are as reliable as the sun rising and setting…) Get your friends to shove it up your arse; that’s bound to get even your attention. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/175 "2015-12-12T22:15:48Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > The government actually rations the raw ingredients to make it and the pharmaceutical companies just can’t fill the demand. I realize that this is the Pit, but would you care to cite this claim? ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/176 "2015-12-12T23:00:17Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Well, while I’m probably in the minority and will certainly get flak for saying this, I am pretty skeptical as to the legitimacy of the ADD/ADHD “condition”, period. It’s a “disease” that apparently never existed for millions of years of human history, and still only exists mostly in developed wealthy countries that can afford designer pharmaceutical speed to “treat” it, conveniently. Which of course has made Big Pharma billions of bucks since it became a major pop culture fad to have ADHD. > > I’ve had Adderall and of course it helps people focus, because it’s speed. Everyone has trouble focusing on boring shit for extended periods of time, especially kids, who get prescribed it the most. You talk about there being shortages of it, but that’s probably because everyone and their mother has a 'script for it. At least when I was in school, you couldn’t spit without hitting someone who was diagnosed with ADHD and got prescription speed for it. The whole thing has always just seemed really dicey to me. I’m inclined to agree; of the three adults I know who claim to have ADHD, two of them are just lazy selfish entitled arseholes who think that work and paying bills is for other people. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/177 "2015-12-12T23:26:39Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Demand which is greatly inflated by students and others not merely sharing it and selling it, but they are using it for the benefits without having any of the actual issues for which it is legitimately prescribed. You really were standing behind the door when they were handing out self-awareness, weren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/178 "2015-12-13T02:08:56Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Well, while I’m probably in the minority and will certainly get flak for saying this, **I am pretty skeptical as to the legitimacy of the ADD/ADHD “condition”, period.** It’s a “disease” that apparently never existed for millions of years of human history, and still only exists mostly in developed wealthy countries that can afford designer pharmaceutical speed to “treat” it, conveniently. Which of course has made Big Pharma billions of bucks since it became a major pop culture fad to have ADHD. > > I’ve had Adderall and of course it helps people focus, because it’s speed. Everyone has trouble focusing on boring shit for extended periods of time, especially kids, who get prescribed it the most. You talk about there being shortages of it, but that’s probably because everyone and their mother has a 'script for it. At least when I was in school, you couldn’t spit without hitting someone who was diagnosed with ADHD and got prescription speed for it. The whole thing has always just seemed really dicey to me. If you had one kid with ADHD and one kid without it, as I do, you would never say that. Which is not to say that it’s not over-diagnosed, and not to say that some people are medicated for it who could probably manage it in other ways…but believe me, it exists. And, I’d posit that it always existed, but that it wasn’t as obvious until people had to sit at a desk and do boring tasks. Just because it’s harder to cope with it in the modern world, doesn’t mean that it didn’t exist in other times & places. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/179 "2015-12-13T03:49:44Z")
Somewhat off topic, but I’ve never heard of valium being used as an anti-convulsant. Unless of course, this is only the case for dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-again-for-stoid/739375/180 "2015-12-13T05:07:03Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I realize that this is the Pit, but would you care to cite this claim? I’d be delighted. But take into account that there is something fundamentally flawed in my use of The Google Machine and somehow my cites all end up saying the same thing: Stoid is Stupid, Crazy and Just Plain Awful and This Proves It. I’m not really sure how it works, actually, I’m just saying you might want to do your _own_ research to completely avoid any possible Stoidal Google Cooties. But since you asked, here’s your very own Stoidal Wall o’ Text featuring Stoidal Styling (I went with _ **Stoidal Bold-Italic** _) a combination widely recognized for the way it strips words of all meaning, making comprehension virtually impossible for normal humans, so good luck! > **[ADHD Sufferers Fear An Adderall Shortage](https://www.npr.org/2011/11/22/142661880/adhd-sufferers-fear-an-adderall-shortage)** > > Up to 15 million children and adults are thought to have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Many of them take Adderall to treat it. In recent weeks, some patients have complained they can't find the drug in pharmacies and fear it's the... > [@](#): > > And then I was sort of poking around and found that the Adderall thing was more long-standing. The DEA gets involved. It’s an arm of the Justice Department, the Drug Enforcement Administration. Its job is to make sure, to the extent you can, that drugs don’t get diverted into illicit use, drugs of abuse or potential abuse like amphetamines, the way these are. > > And so it, every year, _ **sets a ceiling on how much on the raw material, the active ingredient for a whole bunch of drugs, including these, can be made. So it’s an overall aggregate amount of raw material that the DEA regulates.** _ And they say that there should be plenty out there. > > They don’t monitor, you know, how much is actually used, although they look at the number of prescriptions being written, and they adjust it once a year, once again if need be, and then they allocate the quotas to individual companies, and companies come forward regularly and say we need more, and then the DEA will grant it or not. [http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/anatomy-of-the-great-adderall-drought](http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/anatomy-of-the-great-adderall-drought) > [@](#): > > To prevent hoarding of materials and their potential for theft and illicit use, the \*\*\*Drug Enforcement Agency sets quotas for the chemical precursors to drugs like Adderall. The DEA projects the need for amphetamine salts, then produces and distributes the materials to pharmaceutical companies so that they can produce their drugs. \*\*\*But with the number of prescriptions for Adderall jumping 13 percent in the past year, pharmaceutical companies claim that the quotas are no longer sufficient for supplying Americans with their Adderall. [http://www.sott.net/article/238261-Pay-Attention-The-Great-American-Adderall-Drought](http://www.sott.net/article/238261-Pay-Attention-The-Great-American-Adderall-Drought) > [@](#): > > Then as now, amphetamine-based ADD drugs have suffered periodic supply hiccups stemming from their strict regulation by the Drug Enforcement Administration, which levies annual quotas on the aggregate amount of stimulants it will allow to be legally produced each year. > > Shire has publicly blamed DEA quota restrictions for its anemic generic shipments; the DEA has issued an apparent denial, albeit one short on specifics. A chemist at one of the five authorized “active ingredient” manufacturers in the business of supplying pharmaceutical companies with amphetamine says he and his colleagues “have all been scratching our heads trying to figure out what’s actually going on.” > > The prevailing “water cooler” theory, according to the chemist, is that Shire is trying to “embarrass [the generic drugmakers] by making them look unreliable” - which could theoretically threaten some of their accounts, which could also in turn hurt their case in future applications to the DEA for a share of the annual amphetamine production quota. The DEA’s decisions to award quota of controlled substances is a somewhat mysterious process, but the aggregate number of about 26 million kilograms for 2011, up from 1.3 million in 1996, the year Adderall was introduced. And even that 26 million wasn’t high enough to accommodate the applications; the chemist says the agency recently granted the generic drugmaker CorePharma, which makes generic Adderall and dexedrine, just half the amphetamine allotment for which it had applied. So it stands to reason that if the agency lowers the quota in response to lower unit sales this year, the great amphetamine famine could be here to stay. And since Shire’s own quota for Vyvanse’s lisdexamphetamine is 9 million kilograms - hugely generous for such a new drug - it is more than prepared to accommodate a surge in new customers. > **[ADHD: Overview and More](https://www.verywellmind.com/adhd-overview-4581801)** > > Did you know there are three types of ADHD? Why do some doctors still use the term "ADD"? Get the answers, including information on diagnosis and treatment. > [@](#): > > Though the increased awareness and diagnoses of ADHD can make it more difficult to predict consumer needs, Cabrey reports that this previous shortage had been due to\*\*\* a delay last year at the DEA in releasing extra supplies of the drug’s active ingredients.\*\*\* Denise Bradley of Teva Pharmaceuticals (a generic pharmaceutical manufacturer) agrees that the DEA quota system has been part of the issue. > **[05-05-15\_dea\_diversion\_control\_rannazzisi\_testimony\_from\_may\_5\_2015\_hearing\_re\_improving\_managemnet\_of\_the\_controlled\_substances\_quota\_process.pdf](https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/testimonies/witnesses/attachments/2015/08/14/05-05-15_dea_diversion_control_rannazzisi_testimony_from_may_5_2015_hearing_re_improving_managemnet_of_the_controlled_substances_quota_process.pdf)** > > 130.18 KB > [@](#): > > When Congress passed the CSA, the quota system was intended to reduce or eliminate diversion from “legitimate channels of trade” by _**controlling “the quantities of the basic ingredients needed for the manufacture of [controlled substances],**_ and the requirement of order forms for all transfers of these drugs . . .” 1970 U.S.C.C.A.N. 4566 at 4590. The quota system generally requires DEA to determine the amount of each basic class of Schedule I and II controlled substances, ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine to be manufactured each year “to provide for the estimated medical, scientific, research, and industrial needs of the United States, for lawful export requirements, and for the establishment and maintenance of reserve stocks.” 21 U.S.C. § 826(a). This essentially allows DEA to monitor the total amount of Schedule I and II controlled substances, ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine that enters the closed system of distribution. > > DEA’s quota system for the basic classes of controlled substances consists of three types of quota summarized below: Aggregate Production Quota (APQ), Individual Manufacturing Quota, and Procurement Quota. > > **Aggregate Production Quota:** The Administrator determines the total amount of each basic class of Schedule I and II controlled substance necessary to be manufactured in a calendar year to provide for the estimated medical, scientific, research, and industrial need of the United States, for lawful export requirements, and for the establishment and maintenance of reserve stocks. > > **Individual Manufacturing Quota:** Amount of a basic class allocated to registered bulk manufacturers in order to manufacture the substance by producing, preparing, propagating, compounding, or processing it from another substance. > > \*\*Procurement Quota: \*\*Issued to registered manufacturers who desire to obtain any Schedule I and/or II basic class of controlled substances in order to further manufacture that substance by packaging, repackaging, labeling, relabeling, or producing dosage forms or other substances. [http://www.raps.org/Regulatory-Focus/News/2015/05/07/22120/Government-Report-Slams-DEA-for-Oversight-of-Drug-Production-Quota-System/](http://www.raps.org/Regulatory-Focus/News/2015/05/07/22120/Government-Report-Slams-DEA-for-Oversight-of-Drug-Production-Quota-System/) > [@](#): > > Control Quotas > > One of the ways DEA works to keep scheduled drugs under control is by establishing quotas on their production. Under the CSA, DEA controls the production of schedule I and II drugs, including for research purposes. > > These quotas—known as Aggregate Production Quotas (APQs), Bulk Manufacturing Quotas (BMQs) and Procurement Quotas (PQs)—determine the exact amount of each drug that is permitted to (legally) be produced in the US each year. For example, in 2015 DEA allowed 49,500,000 grams of codeine, a narcotic used in many cough suppressant products, to be manufactured. > > However, DEA’s APQ system has come under criticism in recent years. In 2011 and 2012, many patients with attention deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD) said they found it profoundly difficult to obtain FDA-approved ADHD treatments containing amphetamine salts, a DEA-controlled substance. In response to pressure from patients and legislators, DEA eventually increased its production quota on amphetamines intended for sale from 25.3 million grams per year to as much as 49 million grams per year in 2014. All of which refers to the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, found in its entirety at this link… but thats actual law and it seems my citations to law are always wrong or I’m always wrong in how I understand them so they are no good anyway… something like that, so, again, might wanna let your fingers do their own walking, just to be safe. 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