# Its time for Israel to launch Operation Susa **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 10, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-for-israel-to-launch-operation-susa/602474 "2011-11-10T03:41:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 294
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-for-israel-to-launch-operation-susa/602474/294 "2011-11-22T22:34:39Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I see. Do you think that other countries that are built upon “stolen” land should do the same thing? If not, why? > > Why is it only da jooz who have to do these things? These other instances of contested land do not always involve million of refugees living as refugees for decades. These other instances of contested land has not resulted in the export of terrorism all over the world. And in other cases we have in fact seen significantly more global disapporval (see south africa, or were the afrikaners also Jewish?). Criticism of something with a Jewish nexus is not necessarily anti-semitism, sometimes it just criticism of something that needs criticizing. > [@](#): > > I have no doubt that even if Israel were in Siberia, it would still be a technological and scientific powerhouse. No matter where Jews are, they bring technology and progress. … If teh jooz can figure out how to make the desert bloom and create flourishing agriculture in a place where, previously, there was none, they can do the same thing with the tundra. Yes, superior Jewish genetics and society makes Jewish success inevitable. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Whew. > I thought we were going to have to give Arkansas back to the Ouachita. > > Hey, wait. 2011-1947=64! The Israelis get to stay! We let the American Indians vote. > [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > It’s teh joos who get singled out. Rather than assume racism perhaps an objective look at the facts would make this seem like less of a mystery. > [@Naxos](#): > > I said “not much”. To be fair if you can consider the Jews in Israel “not much” you should probably consider the palestinians in the West bank “not much” too so thye current state of affairs does not create much objection either. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You’ve expressed extremely strong opinions about the Israel/Palestine conflict and you’re now confessing you’re completely ignorant about the Palestinian Prime Minister? > > Sorry, but what you’ve done is comparable to someone who expressed extremely strong opinions about the US upon being asked their opinion of Barack Obama proclaimed “who the fuck is he?” > > Sorry for my assumptions. > > I assumed someone who expressed such strong opinions regarding Israel/Palestine would have at least a rudimentary knowledge of the conflict and wouldn’t be so embarrassingly ignorant of the conflict that they didn’t know who the Palestinian Prime Minister was and upon hearing his name wouldn’t go “who’s that”? > > I profusely apologize and won’t make the mistake of assuming you’d be knowledgeable enough to pass a quizz on the conflict that any 12-year-old Palestinian or Israeli would be expected to pass. > > That said, if you’re so ignorant of the conflict that you didn’t even recognize the name to the Palestinian Prime Minister then why do you have such strong opinions about it. Why do you keep doing this instead of arguing the substance of the arguments? You frequently pick up on some lack of knowledge in the person youa re arguing with and use taht as a pretext to dismiss them and their opinions entirely. Do you really need to know the intricacies of the tax code to have an opinion on taxes? If so then every debate on taxes would be more or less a dialogue between me and Rand Rover. Imagine if every third post from me ina tax thread was "I’m a tax lawyer, what makes you think you are qualified to have such a stron opinion on taxes if you don’t even understand how how taxation works? I suggest you read Ginsberg’s treatise on mergers and acquisitions, Garlock’s treatise on debt, Kramer on financial products and articles by Kleinbard and Peaslee before you embarass yourself further in this debate. > [@](#): > > Why are you showing such callous disregard for Cyprus’ Muslim population? Were the Cypriate muslims colonialist or imperialist invaders? Perhaps he doesn’t have a lot of sympathy for them for that reason. > [@Alessan](#): > > Yeah, but even if it had succeeded, it wouldn’t have been Israel - it would have just been this country that happened to have a lot of Jews in it. See, this is part of the problem I have with Zionism. Its GOTTA be where it is right now because of what? Some divine mandate? If the point is to have a Jewish nation in case history produces another Hitler, why does it have to be exactly where it is? Whats wrong with a country that just happens to have a lot of Jews in it? We don’t have to call it Israel, we can call it Florida. > [@Uzi](#): > > “As much land as they could”. > Have you ever seen a map of the ME and the size of Israel compared to the rest of the ME countries? Guess not. Well to be fair, if they thought they could take and hold more, then Israel might be a bit larger right now. > [@](#): > > I’ll give you a hint although you are real close: It has something to do with religion. While I realize that Sunni muslim is a lot closer to Shia muslim than Judaism, it seems to me that sometimes Sunnis and Shia do not get along. I don’t think Iran gives a shit about Israel except to the extent they can curry regional political influence by bashing on Israel. > [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > “My problem is with Zionism.” Zionism barely even _exists_ anymore. The concept of Zionism was to establish a Jewish state in Israel during the early 1900s; it was accomplished; end of story. What do people even mean nowadays when they criticize “Zionism”? Half the time, they seem to be talking about Jews and just saying Zionism; the other half, I don’t think they know _what_ they mean, they just want to criticize something that Israel is doing. The term Zionism is egregiously abused over and over again in these kinds of debates. When i criticize zionism, I am usually criticizing the all the shit that Israel does to maintain a Jewish majority in Israel. > [@Uzi](#): > > As the Palestinians and their Muslim neighbors will never be happy with Israel being there and the Israelis will be happy with what they have now, then you might as well make the one side happy. Seems pretty obvious, actually. You are merely saying I prefer the status quo. If the situation were reversed, and the neighboring states were all happy without an Israeli state and the Zionists would only be happy with an Israeli state in Palestine and we couldn’t make both sides happy, would you say "oh well we might as well make the neighboring states happy and leave Palestine alone or would you carve an Israeli state out of Palestine? > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > It’s a bit amusing being lectured by someone who’s insisting that 21 Arab nations “recognize” Israel. They have offered to recognize israel. You must know about the arab peace plan, I’ve mentioned it several times int he past. The fact that you don’t like it doesn’t mean the offer was never made. > [@brocks](#): > > Too late to edit, but I would like to amend that to “exposing your ignorance of the Arab Peace Initiative.” We were discussing a fairly narrow issue, and I did not mean to imply that you are ignorant in general. I would have given you a pass entirely if you had not been so condescending about your superior knowledge, and my own alleged lack of knowledge. > > And it’s not just me: you said to somebody else in this thread “you display a jaw-dropping level of ignorance about Jews, Zionism, and Israel” > > Maybe tone it down a bit? No kidding. It gets unnecessarily insulting but the mods seem to think its ok. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-for-israel-to-launch-operation-susa/602474)._