# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 119
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2361 "2012-01-27T18:52:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > And yet it doesn’t affect your typing. Interesting. Well, it did, you know. What he was trying to type was, “I’m fingerbanging gerbils like a motherfuck!” ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2362 "2012-01-27T18:53:05Z")
I asked a question many pages ago but it was never answered by SA so I will ask it again. Let’s assume that McQueery heard nothing. He is in the locker room and sees Sandusky and a boy naked in the shower with Sandusky pressed up behind the boy with his hands on the boy’s waist. He tells Paterno that he saw Sandusky and the kid naked together in the shower touching. Are you saying that you believe that there is no moral obligation to report this conduct to the police? FWIW, and completely setting aside any mention of actual rape or other overtly sexual act, the very fact that they were naked together in the shower and standing close together constitutes sexual abuse until proven otherwise, and it is a crime. Now the police are free to investigate and find out that perhaps the boy was choking and Sandusky was giving him the Heimlich, but that doesn’t mean that when one sees suspicious behavior you don’t have a moral obligation to make sure it is investigated. Again, not talking about legal requirement but what is morally right. Are you saying that you do not believe that it is a crime to be naked an touching an unrelated child? The people on To Catch a Predator would be interested since they get jail time without ever actually having physical contact with their victims, just for going there with the intent to have contact. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2363 "2012-01-27T18:57:39Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, it did, you know. What he was trying to type was, “I’m fingerbanging gerbils like a motherfuck!” hE has faLLen aslEep. PleaSe save uS. SinCerely, FiNger-BuTT-GerBils ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2364 "2012-01-27T19:01:49Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > hE has faLLen aslEep. PleaSe save uS. > > SinCerely, > FiNger-BuTT-GerBils Well, it looks from here like you guys were just horsing around, so no. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2365 "2012-01-27T19:03:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > hE has faLLen aslEep. PleaSe save uS. > > SinCerely, > FiNger-BuTT-GerBils Well, I’ll alert my supervisor. It’ll be up to him to follow-through. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2366 "2012-01-27T19:06:20Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Where the FUCK are you getting the bolded part from? I don’t think the look on the boy’s face has been part of any testimony that I’m aware of. How do you know the victim had “no distress or discomfort apparent”? When people tell you that you sound like a pervert, this kind of stuff is why. I identified early on in this thread his dishonest proclivity for just **making up fucking “facts” and salting posts with purely speculative hypotheticals which he then bootstraps as though they were factually incontrovertible**. He’s a congenital liar. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2367 "2012-01-27T21:02:22Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > hE has faLLen aslEep. PleaSe save uS. > > SinCerely, > FiNger-BuTT-GerBils :eek:😛 Maybe I’ve just been reading boring threads today, but I’m laughing so hard at this! Thanks for the laugh! ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2368 "2012-01-27T22:03:13Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I asked a question many pages ago but it was never answered by SA so I will ask it again. [snip] I have a related question: If Paterno himself had walked in on a Sandusky having anal sex with a ten year old, and felt totally sure that is what he saw, would reporting it to his superiors have been enough, even if there was no follow-up on the report, no investigation? Is it the not knowing for sure that gets Joe off the hook, or is it fulfilling the letter of the lae? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2369 "2012-01-27T22:06:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > IOW, that his morality placed his friendship and his desire to protect The Football Program’s image above the needs of preventing children from being raped. And you’re proud to defend it. > > You therefore don’t even know what morality _is_. There are no words sufficient to describe you. When there is a thread where I find myself agreeing 100% with every post ElvisL1ves makes (about as likely to happen as Holmes and Moriarty picking out curtains together), that should really make one (meaning, Starving Artist) get up and take that long walk in the woods to reconsider their position. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2370 "2012-01-27T22:10:31Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > I identified early on in this thread his dishonest proclivity for just **making up fucking “facts” and salting posts with purely speculative hypotheticals which he then bootstraps as though they were factually incontrovertible**. He’s a congenital liar. I’m pretty sure the alleged 7-11 incident, featuring the vignette of him facing down a seething redneck, was in a film I saw. I don’t know; if I was going to make up a story on the SDMB, it would at least have dinosaurs in it. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2371 "2012-01-27T22:22:51Z")
Underage dinosaurs? In the shower? Tyrannosaurus Sex? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2372 "2012-01-27T22:29:27Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#): > > Underage dinosaurs? In the shower? Tyrannosaurus Sex? Trust me. NOT a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2373 "2012-01-27T22:33:05Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#): > > Underage dinosaurs? In the shower? Tyrannosaurus Sex? > > :smack: You can’t prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2374 "2012-01-27T22:42:41Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > When there is a thread where I find myself agreeing 100% with every post ElvisL1ves makes (about as likely to happen as Holmes and Moriarty picking out curtains together), that should really make one (meaning, Starving Artist) get up and take that long walk in the woods to reconsider their position. Well, you see, the mistake that you’re making is in assuming you are right in the first place. Then when your thoughts line up with Elvis’, you think that you are both for some cosmic reason simpatico in the truth when the reality is that your thinking in this instance is simply as flawed as Elvis’. Further evidence of your fallibilty - at least to me, as I know the facts - is your implication that I was lying about the 7-11 story. But you see, the great thing about being an honest person, which I am, is that it largely removes the onus from having to convince others. I can’t control what you choose to believe, I can only control whether I tell the truth. Thus once I’ve told the truth, I’ve fulfilled my obligation. You can believe it or not, I don’t care. But the fact that you do indeed find yourself in agreement with Elvis (not to mention, apparently, with many of the other dolts in this thread as well) and doubting the veracity of my story for no apparent reason other than your objections to the stance I’ve taken in this thread, suggests to me that it is you who would might benefit most from that walk in the woods. I’ll be back to address some of the other comments later. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2375 "2012-01-27T22:48:49Z")
“It’s not me, it’s you.” ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2376 "2012-01-27T22:57:21Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#): > > “It’s not me, it’s you.” and you, and you, and you and you and you. He’s too dumb to contemplate let alone acknowledge the linearly increasing near-certainty that he is wrong because dozens of independent people of varying intelligence, life experience, and ideological background have considered his position and not a single one agrees with it. He’s either Christ Almighty Himself dispensing Truth from Above, or he’s wrong, or he’s stupid, or he’s crazy. I don’t think he’s Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2377 "2012-01-27T23:19:03Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > …or he’s wrong, or he’s stupid, or he’s crazy. He could be the combination platter. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2378 "2012-01-28T00:00:22Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > When there is a thread where I find myself agreeing 100% with every post ElvisL1ves makes (about as likely to happen as Holmes and Moriarty picking out curtains together), Just an aside here: You really need to grow the fuck up, even just a little bit. Okay? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2379 "2012-01-28T00:10:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Just an aside here: You really need to grow the fuck up, even just a little bit. Okay? :rolleyes: Aw, but now you’ve ruined it. **Una** can’t _possibly_ fully agree with this post, so therefore there is now ambiguity about whether or not everyone is in agreement, and now that means that, according to **SA** , this thread might not even exist and nothing bad has every happened in the world. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2380 "2012-01-28T00:21:14Z")
No, I’m pretty confident I never said nothing bad every happened, no matter what the context. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=118) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=120)