# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 130
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2582 "2012-02-05T01:59:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Depends on the scoring. If you’re counting lies, poor reading comprehension, misrepresentations and blatant dishonesty, I figure the score’s about 878 to, well, 0, favor of **Huerta** , with numerous assists from the likes of you and worse. And trust me, it doesn’t speak well of the few **Huerta** supporters that you are a minor offender amongst them. And yet you are the **only** person posting in support of yourself, whereas people who say they don’t even like me can and do agree with me. It’s not a popularity contest, it’s strong circumstantial evidence that your extreme outlier position is very likely a wrong position that does grave violence to Occam’s Razor and to every notion of common sense and decency. You’re a retard and I am quite certain you posted the below. No one else in the world can have quite your, uh, rhetorical talents, nor the same obsession with the mechanics of raping “three feet tall boys.” > [@](#): > > “A month after assistant coach Mike McQueary said he witnessed Sandusky raping a boy in a shower in March 2002, Sandusky coached McQueary in a charity flag football game.” > > A rather shocking fact for someone who saw Sandusky rape a 10 years old boy. Lets be honest McQueary’s claims are totally made up. Why? How can a 6+ feet tall man rape a 3 feet tall boy while both are standing and the boy has his hands against the wall. This makes absolutely no sense. Even less sense makes the claim that McQueary heard the rhythmic slapping sounds that accompany sexual intercourse since to have successfully raped such a small person Sandusky had to have been holding him up with his hands and that would have prevented the slapping sounds from being made. And then you have to laugh when you read that both the boy that was being raped and Sandusky looked at McQueary. It doesn’t stop here. McQueary claims in an email to a friend that he went to the police and told them about what he had witnessed. Ummmm, there is no record of this, at least according to the police… Can any serious person believe that the police would not keep a record of a child rape by an adult even if the said adult was a celebrity in the town? > These claims are way too amazing to be taken as truth. It gets better when you read that neither Paterno nor the Penn officials were told that Sandusky was raping the child when McQueary spoke to them the day after the incident in 2002; both Paterno and Shultz claim that McQueary only said that Sandusky was engaged in improper behavior with the boy. > > Can Sandusky be tried for having showered naked with kids? No! This happens routinely in athletic settings. Even playing while naked with kids occurs routinely in athletic settings between male coaching staff and male kids. It is just the way things have been done for years. For example at the YMCA that I attend, until not too long ago men were required to swim naked in the pool, yes with kids around. And it was common for kids to play around naked. > Yes Sandusky should be tried for allegedly molesting children in his home. I don’t think however that McQueary’s claims that he saw him rape a boy is true. This was probably a move on the part of McQueary to clear his career ascent path. If it is actually true that McQueary saw this and then attended fundraising functions by Sandusky, then McQueary belongs in jail also. [http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ask\_your\_questions\_about\_the\_j/3032/comments-newest-6.html](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ask_your_questions_about_the_j/3032/comments-newest-6.html) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2583 "2012-02-05T02:01:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Btw, has anyone else noticed that when things get drug out of this thread with its relatively small coterie of hysterical lunatics and before the board in general, the outrage level falls pretty quickly to ‘meh’, and support for my attempts to look objectively at the facts garners considerably more support than criticism from those not already going ballistic in this thread? You mean the ATMB thread? No, I didn’t notice that. You must be the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2584 "2012-02-05T02:03:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Btw, has anyone else noticed that when things get drug out of this thread with its relatively small coterie of hysterical lunatics and before the board in general, the outrage level falls pretty quickly to ‘meh’, and support for my attempts to look objectively at the facts garners considerably more support than criticism from those not already going ballistic in this thread? Telling, that is. 🙂 No one has supported your position that rape was impossible or that McQueary was unsure what he saw or that Sandusky might well be totally innocent of sexual wrongdoing. Not a single person. Your position on what “fondling” meant lost 190+ to 1 in IMHO, with the common sense position that in this context it could only mean sexualized touching. You really should have abstained from that vote, I know you couldn’t help yourself, but that lonely one vote is more pathetic and ridiculous by far than if had been zero. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2585 "2012-02-05T02:04:06Z")
And has anyone rlse noticed that I argue evidence, due process and a logical examination of the facts while my opponents argue mostly with name-calling and insults? Telling, I think. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2586 "2012-02-05T02:06:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And has anyone rlse noticed that I argue evidence, due process and a logical examination of the facts while my opponents argue mostly with name-calling and insults? Telling, I think. 🙂 No. No one else has noticed that because it is as untrue as it could possibly be. Patting yourself on the head does not advance your case. Leave it to others to praise your impeccable logic, love of due process (you do not know what this means so for the love of God quit saying it). No, really, it’s quite undignified to tell everyone how great you are. If you’re that great, someone will step up to say so on your behalf. Of course that’s not going to happen here, but your saying it on your own behalf is just silly and inane. ---
**Author:** ![Napkin\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Napkin\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napkin_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2587 "2012-02-05T02:09:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I would imagine that adults in dry clothing would grab other adults in dry cothing somewhat differently than would a tall, wet and slippery adult trying to grab and keep from faceplanting a small, wet and slippery child in close quarters. Think about it and you’ll see I’m right. I’ve ACTUALLY done both of those, rather than imagined them. And you are incorrect. Grabbing a child to prevent them from faceplanting involves a wild grab at the nearest limb, generally an arm. It was my own child and even still there was no full-body contact, nothing resembling a hug. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2588 "2012-02-05T02:10:56Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > No one has supported your position that rape was impossible or that McQueary was unsure what he saw or that Sandusky might well be totally innocent of sexual wrongdoing. Not a single person. > > Your position on what “fondling” meant lost 190+ to 1 in IMHO, with the common sense position that in this context it could only mean sexualized touching. You really should have abstained from that vote, I know you couldn’t help yourself, but that lonely one vote is more pathetic and ridiculous by far than if had been zero. Yeah, and once **DrDeth** busted your dishonest ass and I explained what you were really up to, that thread sunk like a lead balloon. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2589 "2012-02-05T02:17:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > We also have evidence that Sandusky had a history at the time of hugging boys (or at least a boy) in the shower. Just because is a bank robber, it doesn’t mean he’s robbed every bank he ever walked into. I’m of the impression that previous crimes or suspicion of crimes is inadmissible as evidence in the courtroom and that each charge must stand or fall on the facts pertaining to that particular case. I may be wrong about that but I don’t think so. Do you have any idea what your analogy here means? You’ve basically said “just because he’s a child rapist doesn’t mean he raped THIS kid.” implicit in that is that Sandusky IS a child rapist. So what the fuck are you arguing here? You’ve just conceded the most important thing! ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2590 "2012-02-05T02:20:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and once **DrDeth** busted your dishonest ass and I explained what you were really up to, that thread sunk like a lead balloon. Nothing of the sort happened and there was nothing the least bit dishonest in posting a highly accurate hypothetical based exactly on the facts in the Paterno thread. The only dishonesty was in your voting for the single stupidest and least likely meaning of “fondling” in the given context. I challenged his bitchy little attempts to “bust” me by inviting him, in both threads, to identify a single element of the hypothetical fact pattern that was “biased” or “disingenuous.” He couldn’t, or at least certainly didn’t, and your intellect is no more up to the task. My post calling him out on the content-free nature of his criticism remains, literally, the last word in that thread, and 198 people and counting agree with my interpretation of what “fondling” meant in the Sandusky context. I will note that your lonely little vote for the stupidest definition has been joined by one other. Sock puppet or another lonely loon? Enquiring minds don’t give a rat’s ass. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2591 "2012-02-05T02:25:50Z")
> [@Napkin\_Sandwich](#): > > I’ve ACTUALLY done both of those, rather than imagined them. And you are incorrect. Grabbing a child to prevent them from faceplanting involves a wild grab at the nearest limb, generally an arm. > > It was my own child and even still there was no full-body contact, nothing resembling a hug. I would think the way a person would react in such an instance would depend on their relative closeness, how tall and/or heavy the child was, the nature of how he was falling and how violently, and what a split-second decision would tell a person would be the safest thing to do given the slippery wetness of it all. In other words, people react differently to different circumstances. In fact they often react differently even to identical circumstances. So the fact that people in Minnesota or you react one way when you see someone about to fall, it doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone else would or should do likewise under the same or similar circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2592 "2012-02-05T02:27:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And has anyone rlse noticed that I argue evidence, due process and a logical examination of the facts while my opponents argue mostly with name-calling and insults? Telling, I think. 🙂 I think I speak for the entire internet when I say: “Uh, no, we hadn’t noticed that” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2593 "2012-02-05T02:36:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I would think the way a person would react in such an instance would depend on their relative closeness, how tall and/or heavy the child was, the nature of how he was falling and how violently, and what a split-second decision would tell a person would be the safest thing to do given the slippery wetness of it all. > > In other words, people react differently to different circumstances. In fact they often react differently even to identical circumstances. So the fact that people in Minnesota or you react one way when you see someone about to fall, it doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone else would or should do likewise under the same or similar circumstances. I’ve rescued children from falling. Oddly enough, in none of those situations did I end up with my dick in their ass. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2594 "2012-02-05T02:47:39Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Do you have any idea what your analogy here means? You’ve basically said “just because he’s a child rapist doesn’t mean he raped THIS kid.” implicit in that is that Sandusky IS a child rapist. > > So what the fuck are you arguing here? You’ve just conceded the most important thing! I didn’t say any such thing. I said there was a previous allegation that he hugged a child, with the implication being that hugging rather than anal rape would be the most likely thing that happened, rather than anal rape. Still, your presumption is correct. A person should not be convicted of one crime just because he or she has committed the same crime at other times. Otherwise the cops could clear up all unsolved murders simply by convicting a person of one murder and assuming he committed all the others as well. Our system of jurisprudence requires that every charge be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I’m surprised you don’t seem to know that. And now if you’ll all excuse me, there’s this 7-11 nearby that has these great chocolate covered cherries… ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2595 "2012-02-05T02:53:05Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’ve rescued children from falling. Oddly enough, in none of those situations did I end up with my dick in their ass. Go figure. His claim now is that he’s **proven** the dick was never in or even near the ass, both because of the “physical impossibility” and because when the GJ summarized **Paterno** ’s testimony as saying (literally or paraphrase) “fondling or sexual contact,” this phrasing directly contradicts **McQueary’s** own sworn testimony about “intercourse of some kind” and the GJ’s summary of his earlier sworn testimony as “subjecting the child to anal intercourse.” In the fever swamp of his diseased brain, this (non-existent) contradiction **absolutely cancels out** the clear and credible sworn McQueary testimony (as though McQueary should have been able to control Paterno’s characterization of what he saw or the GJ’s summary thereof, or else he’s a liar). His batshit theory literally used this pretzel logic to say we have **proof** of no rape, and therefore it’s only reasonable to imagine the most likely reason for Sandusky to be behind the kid touching him, which he unilaterally asserts is that he was rescuing the kid from a fall. It’s kind of too bad when – not that they are wrong – people get into the weeds explaining how his hypothetical of where McQueary would be relative to the “falling” boy is not the most reasonable way someone would grab a falling boy. He basically wins that way, because he can argue all day that his version is more “physically possible,” meanwhile having managed one of his trademark “coups” (in his mind) of getting his invented fact (“catching a falling boy”) into the record as though it were established by some inidependent testimony or evidence thereto, which of course it’s not. After that it’s just bickering over what would have been the most reasonable position for Sandusky to catch the boy when (as a factual matter) he did fall. Cheap ass stunt, he’s been doing it since the beginning of the thread, but we don’t have to play his game. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2596 "2012-02-05T03:08:40Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > I think I speak for the entire internet when I say: “Uh, no, we hadn’t noticed that” Actually **Starving Artist** , let’s go further than saying “I think”, I challenge you to find anyone that agrees with your analysis that it was not possible for Sandusky to do what is claimed. Is there anyone out there in lurker-land that thinks **SA** argues “evidence” and “logical examination of the facts” on that point? Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2597 "2012-02-05T03:22:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …and support for my attempts to look objectively at the facts garners considerably more support than criticism from those not already going ballistic in this thread? Telling, that is. 🙂 Who are these “supporters”? Name their names and cite their posts. I won’t even make you live up to your claim that there are MORE on your side than on sanity’s side. Just cite posts of people supporting your “look[ing] objectively at the facts” from three different posters and I’ll post “Starving Artist is right!” in 70-point font. I bet others would sign on, too. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2598 "2012-02-05T03:28:52Z")
crickets… ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2599 "2012-02-05T03:29:37Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > You missed the six because “you can’t prove they were” needed to be “I **have definitively proven** they are not and everyone secretly agrees with that fact.” I also think you needed one or two out-of-left-field factual fabrications. I’d have tried something like “everyone knows Paterno was allergic to semen, if they’d been gay lovers Paterno would have sneezed to death after swallowing GWB’s jizz, so that proves they weren’t.” Or, “it can’t have happened because the Secret Service would never allow the President to shower due to the risk of slipping, and the shower is the only place gay sex takes place.” > > Something along those lines, plus just a little more shrieky and Messianic in tone. > > Just trying to help you up your game here. I would say don’t be stupid, but that would be like expecting a baby not to cry. You obviously have poor reading comprehension or you would have recognized that I said ALL those things while shrieking AND in a messianic tone. :roll eyes: It’s all there in black and white for anyone to see, but you are obviously blinded by your liberal bias. You’re a dolt of the first order. And a loon of the first order. You have zero credibility in this thread to anyone with even a smidgeon of intellectual honesty or character. And as for your less than 6 scores…If you’re counting lies, poor reading comprehension, misrepresentations and blatant dishonesty, I figure YOUR score’s about 5.8 to, well, 0, favor of you, with numerous assists from the likes of you and worse. And trust me, it doesn’t speak well of the few Huerta supporters that you are a minor offender amongst them. I’ve already proven you’re full of shit on, among endless other things, believing that it is not plausible that Peterno slipped in the shower and Bush tried to save him from falling by inserting his erect penis into Paterno’s luscious rectum (not unlike a mother grabbing a toddler;s arm before he falls on the pavement). Clearly, I’m the only poster on the board with intellectual honesty and character, and the only way I can see that you would think such a thing is if you believe every other poster on the board respects you and believes what you say. I can assure you that is not the case. And has anyone rlse noticed that I argue **evidence** , due process and a logical examination of the facts while my opponents argue mostly with name-calling and insults? Telling, I think.. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2600 "2012-02-05T03:37:14Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I would say don’t be stupid, but that would be like expecting a baby not to cry. You obviously have poor reading comprehension or you would have recognized that I said ALL those things while shrieking AND in a messianic tone. :roll eyes: > It’s all there in black and white for anyone to see, but you are obviously blinded by your liberal bias. You’re a dolt of the first order. And a loon of the first order. You have zero credibility in this thread to anyone with even a smidgeon of intellectual honesty or character. > > And as for your less than 6 scores…If you’re counting lies, poor reading comprehension, misrepresentations and blatant dishonesty, I figure YOUR score’s about 5.8 to, well, 0, favor of you, with numerous assists from the likes of you and worse. And trust me, it doesn’t speak well of the few Huerta supporters that you are a minor offender amongst them. > > I’ve already proven you’re full of shit on, among endless other things, believing that it is not plausible that Peterno slipped in the shower and Bush tried to save him from falling by inserting his erect penis into Paterno’s luscious rectum (not unlike a mother grabbing a toddler;s arm before he falls on the pavement). > > Clearly, I’m the only poster on the board with intellectual honesty and character, and the only way I can see that you would think such a thing is if you believe every other poster on the board respects you and believes what you say. I can assure you that is not the case. > And has anyone rlse noticed that I argue **evidence** , due process and a logical examination of the facts while my opponents argue mostly with name-calling and insults? Telling, I think.. FTMFW!!! That’s a seven on the six point scale. Way to bring the A game. I swear to God that’s indistunguishable from the real thing. [Golf clap] ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2601 "2012-02-05T03:42:20Z")
**SA’s** next logical step: It’s pretty clear the boy initiated this whole thing in an attempt to discredit Sandusky. Who likely put the boy up to it? McQueary. Sandusky is clearly the victim in this incident. Yes, he may have abused 10 to 20 other kids, but those are separate incidents that must be examined on their own merits. This one points straight to McQueary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=131)