# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 135
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2682 "2012-02-07T03:51:20Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Buddy, you’re an old man poor man, pleading with your eyes gonna make you some peace some day. Got a boy on your dick, you sick sick sick, tellin’ yourself all the others are thick. ---
**Author:** ![Fat\_Chance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8baadc/32.png) [@Fat\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fat_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2683 "2012-02-07T03:53:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The fact is, I’ve already answered his question. He just hasn’t been bright enough to pick up on it. > > And just for the record, I’ve ignored a great deal of what **Huerta’s** had to say. If I wete to try to contend with all of his lies, misrepresentations, tortured logic and hysteria, I’d have time for nothing else. For those of us who are less than bright, can you show sympathy and just give a yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2684 "2012-02-07T04:16:59Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Chet, I can name that song in three notes. > > Jack, Name That Tune! > > Stomp, stomp, clap. > > Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. > > What is Starving Artist is Moron, Chet? Actually that’s two notes, one repeated twice. Plus identifying a song is not the same as identifying a rythm. [/quote] [Chet] Nope. Sorry, **Jack** , but I’m afraid it’s you who’s the moron this time. The song is _We Will Rock You_, and it contains a rythm consisting of multiple notes repeated throughout the song. So again, sorry, _Jack_. I can only try to imagine how much you hate being wrong and losing to **Starving Artist** yet again, but there’s a valuable lesson to be learned in all this, and that is if you want to argue with **Starving Artist** , you’ll get your ass handed to you every time. Still, we have consolation prize in store for you today, and that is…YOU’VE BEEN SELECTED TO JOIN _ **HUERTA88’S ILLUSTRIOUS TAG TEAM OF LOSERS!!!** _ So congratulations, **Jack** , and thanks again for playing. Better luck next time. [/Chet] ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2685 "2012-02-07T04:17:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Got a boy on your dick, you sick sick sick, tellin’ yourself all the others are thick. We will, we will rape you. Everybody! ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2686 "2012-02-07T04:23:31Z")
Rock, paper, scissors… rape? ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2687 "2012-02-07T04:26:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Are you people more than even vaguely aware of what you’re reading? :rolleyes: Sadly, yes. I vacillate between feeling utter revulsion towards you and abject pity, as I know that pedophilia is not a choice. Most people who are sexually attracted to children cling to denial and rationalization, just as you are clearly doing. You do not have to live this way: there is help.[Here](http://www.medicineuptotheminute.com/pedophilia.htm) or [here](http://whyfiles.org/154pedophile/2.html) may be a good place to start. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2688 "2012-02-07T04:34:31Z")
> [@Fat\_Chance](#): > > For those of us who are less than bright, can you show sympathy and just give a yes or no? Where would be the fun in that? 😉 Tell ya what, though. If you guys can convince **Huerta** to admit he doesn’t know what the hell I’m talking about and the answer has flown right over his head, I’ll tell, otherwise he could simply claim he’d figured it out but hadn’t had a chance to post it yet, and his behavior in this thread shows he’s easily dishonest enough to do that. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2689 "2012-02-07T04:44:59Z")
I’ve been trying SO hard to get on the illustrious tag team of losers, and still haven’t managed. FOR FUCK’S SAKE WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO DO? Starving Artist hasn’t even so much as even quoted one of my posts. I truly feel left out. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2690 "2012-02-07T04:48:10Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > Sadly, yes. I vacillate between feeling utter revulsion towards you and abject pity, as I know that pedophilia is not a choice. Most people who are sexually attracted to children cling to denial and rationalization, just as you are clearly doing. You do not have to live this way: there is help.[Here](http://www.medicineuptotheminute.com/pedophilia.htm) or [here](http://whyfiles.org/154pedophile/2.html) may be a good place to start. So you regard due process and a forensic analysis of child rape allegations to be perverse? I’d lile to hear the argument in favor of mindlessly and emotionally jumping to the worst conclusion and takimg it as fact. Perhaps you’d like to make one. And btw, schooylard taunts didn’t work in school and they don’t work here either, so don’t waste your time, mmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2691 "2012-02-07T05:10:19Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Huerta, put yourself in McQueary’s position. If you walked in on a man and a boy taking a shower together alone in a public locker room at night, after hearing a few sounds that sounded like two people having sex, and stood six feet away from them, which explanation seems more likely? > > 1. The man was raping the boy. > > 2. The old man was giving showering lessons to the boy, and during a time-honored game of “keep-away with the soap” the boy slipped. Reacting suddenly to this motion, the man bends down toward the ground, grabs the boy around the waist and pulls him toward his own pelvis region in order to keep the boy from hurting himself. > > Look deep within your heart, please, and decide which one is more probable. I think you too will agree that nothing was amiss here. McQueary overreacted and saw what he wanted to see! Okay, here ya go. Wouldn’t want you to feel left out, now, would we? You know that word “probable”? It denotes uncertainty. That means that it hasn’t been proven that rape was what McQueary saw. And that means we don’t know that rape is what McQueary saw, and in looking at evidence and probabilities (height differences and the impact of gravity and musculoskeletal constraints; no evidence of lube, which one would expect if anally raping a boy in semi-public place where cries of pain or distress might bring attention; the lack of testimony as to Sandusky squatting or distress on the boy’s face; and the unlikelihood of the shower itself as a destination of choice for committing one of the most despised and heavily punished of all crimes all speak to me of the improbability that what McQueary saw Was anal rape. How’s that? Feel better now? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2692 "2012-02-07T05:13:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And btw, schooylard taunts didn’t work in school and they don’t work here either, so don’t waste your time, mmkay? You mean like, oh, say, accusing your opponents of being hysterical and calling them “Nancy Graces”? > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > We will, we will rape you. > > Everybody! We are the rapists, my friends. And we’ll keep on raping, til the end! ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2693 "2012-02-07T05:17:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > How’s that? Feel better now? Much better. I’m going to sleep a lot easier tonight! Toodles! ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2694 "2012-02-07T05:52:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It wasn’t Paterno’s responsibility to ensure it was investigated. His responsibility was to report it to the school’s administration, which included the head of Penn State’s duly accredited 256-member police department. He did this right away and without pulling punches. The only reason people are using this flimsy “he didn’t call the cops” excuse to blame him is because they wanted to nail him all along but had nothing until the head of Pennsylvania’s state police, in an obvious instance of CYA in light of ten years of child abuse not discovered or acted upon, decided to publicly blame Paterno for not reporting the second incident ten years to the municipal police, rather than according to written law and standard campus practice as he did. Lacking substantive evidence of malfeasance on Paterno’s part, this was all the lynch mob needed to do what they wanted to do in the first place and bring down Paterno. First, please cite where the head of the state police publicly blamed Paterno. Second, show any evidence that anybody wanted to blame Paterno “all along”. Third show any evidence that there was a lynch mob trying to bring down Paterno. Frankly, I had never heard of the guy before. All along I have said that he fulfilled all of his legal obligations. However, his actions violate my moral code and apparently the moral code of the University Administration. Now you can argue taht your moral code is different but that is irrelevant. Paterno failed to follow up on Sandusky being alone and naked with a child in a deserted shower. I will even stipulate for the sake of avoiding irrelevant argument that no rape occurred. In fact, I will stipulate that the child slipped and Paterno caught him in what only appeared to be a suspicious circumstance. Even given all of the above, Paterno failed in his moral duty to ensure that the situation was investigated. That’s right, even if no crime was committed, Paterno failed to ensure that it was adequately investigated. Was it his legal duty?-no. Was it his moral duty? The majority of people here say yes, and the University Administration said yes. Your moral code may differ but that is irrelevant. I suggest that if you wish others to agree with your moral code you start to make more convincing arguments rather than fixating on irrelevant details on what specifically took place. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2695 "2012-02-07T05:56:28Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You mean like, oh, say, accusing your opponents of being hysterical and calling them “Nancy Graces”? No, that’s a factual description of how you’re acting, analogous to saying I’m acting like a police detective or being a “Perry Mason”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2696 "2012-02-07T06:49:02Z")
“I could wile away the hours Conferrin’ with the flowers Consultin’ with the rain…” Oh, hi folks, it’s me SA, just sitting around singin’ a tune. Ya know, someone asked me the other day about the allegations against Sandusky, this is what I said: > [@](#): > > I don’t know anything about them and have no opinion Then I scratched my head, sang a little more: “And my head I’d be scratchin’ While my thoughts were busy hatchin’…” Then someone asked me about the allegations aginst Sandusky, this is what I said: > [@](#): > > I have little doubt myself that Sandusky is a serial rapist. Then I went back to singin’… ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2697 "2012-02-07T06:52:35Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > That’s right, even if no crime was committed, Paterno failed to ensure that it was adequately investigated. Was it his legal duty?-no. Was it his moral duty? The majority of people here say yes, and the University Administration said yes. Your moral code may differ but that is irrelevant. I suggest that if you wish others to agree with your moral code you start to make more convincing arguments rather than fixating on irrelevant details on what specifically took place. 54 pages compressed into one paragraph. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2698 "2012-02-07T06:57:29Z")
So, being a serial rapist and child molester, did he get shorter or were these other kids taller? What that McQuery guys thinks he saw was impossible, but it wasn’t impossible all those other times? Wow, there’s a whole lot about pederasty I don’t know, good to have an expert on board. Well, sorta. I mean, even information you wish you could forget is still information, isn’t it? Kinda? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2699 "2012-02-07T07:43:22Z")
Ahem…did all the other [alleged] times consist of standing anal rape from behind? I haven’t heard about it if so, and if so I may have to reconsider my suspicion that the other accusations are legit. And where’s **Huerta**? He’s usually right there with a football stadium full of horseshit to throw at my every post! Perhaps he feels compelled to try to ferret out the not so secret message I sent him before he returns so as not to confirm the fact that he’s a dunce. Oh, well, never mind. One must take one’s good fortune as it appears, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2700 "2012-02-07T09:48:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … if you want to argue with **Starving Artist** , you’ll get your ass handed to you every time. … Not every time, right buddy? (I do have the threads bookmarked, something to consider if you’re thinking about saying yes.) > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … Well, in the first place we’re talking about anal rape, not “molestation” which carries a different connotation in the minds of most … Cool, more fodder for another poll! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2701 "2012-02-07T11:23:04Z")
To be fair, **SA** _would_ hand us our asses but the height difference is all wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=134) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=136)