# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 144
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2862 "2012-02-10T06:36:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My own personal belief as to when America was at its zenith is pretty much the entire twentieth century prior to 1968 or 1969. Including the 00s, when marijuana and cocaine were legal? And the murder of union organizors was legal? Including the 10s, when exercising one’s freedom of speech was a crime? When the Spanish Flu killed 1,000, 000 people? Including the 20s, with like flappers and shit? And speakeasies? And pre-code movies? Including the 30s, when working men could not find a job? When cheap hoodlums like John Dillinger were heroes? Including the 40s, when black-marketeers and war-profiteers abounded? And returning veterans couldn’t find a home? Including the 50s, which were perfect? Including the 60’s, when civil rights activists were murdered? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2863 "2012-02-10T06:37:26Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Actually, wasn’t Nixon elected in 1968? Hmmmm… > > You know what? Take your patronizing attitude and shove it straight up your ass. I don’t “believe the worst about you”. I only judge on what I see. And when I see someone who dismisses child abuse the way you have here, it disgusts me. No, what disgusts you is that I want to consider the facts and you believe that any right thinking person duly opposed to child abuse should simply hop onto the nearest worst-case scenario and assume it’s true while simultaneously refusing to look at exculpatory facts and excoriating anyone who dares bring them up. People like you are responsible for untold numbers of deaths throughout history, and I’m not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that people like you are far greatet threats to society than child molesters could ever be…and that’s pretty damn hideous! > [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t need you to “feel sorry for me”, or “go easy on me”. Be as mean to me as you want, I’m not some fragile little waif. Go to hell. Sorry, dear, but I don’t feel sorry for you because you need it; I feel sorry for you becausr I can’t help it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2864 "2012-02-10T06:52:06Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Including the 00s, when marijuana and cocaine were legal? And the murder of union organizors was legal? > > Including the 10s, when exercising one’s freedom of speech was a crime? When the Spanish Flu killed 1,000, 000 people? > > Including the 20s, with like flappers and shit? And speakeasies? And pre-code movies? > > Including the 30s, when working men could not find a job? When cheap hoodlums like John Dillinger were heroes? > > Including the 40s, when black-marketeers and war-profiteers abounded? And returning veterans couldn’t find a home? > > Including the 50s, which were perfect? > > Including the 60’s, when civil rights activists were murdered? Yep, even with all those cherry-picked ills that scarcely affected society as a whole, they were much better times. I’ve explained why several times before though, and am not going to do so again here. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2865 "2012-02-10T06:55:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Looks like it’s time for the promised busting of **Huerta’s** chops You’re such a tease 😉 We’re waiting!!! Btw I read your posts in either Archie Bunker, Daffy Duck, or Patrick Star’s voice. You are too fucking funny :D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2866 "2012-02-10T06:55:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yep, even with all those cherry-picked ills that scarcely affected society as a whole, … 😃 Those “cherry-picked ills” _were_ society, numbnuts. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2867 "2012-02-10T07:05:38Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Including the 00s, when marijuana and cocaine were legal? And the murder of union organizors was legal? > > Including the 10s, when exercising one’s freedom of speech was a crime? When the Spanish Flu killed 1,000, 000 people? > > Including the 20s, with like flappers and shit? And speakeasies? And pre-code movies? > > Including the 30s, when working men could not find a job? When cheap hoodlums like John Dillinger were heroes? > > Including the 40s, when black-marketeers and war-profiteers abounded? And returning veterans couldn’t find a home? > > Including the 50s, which were perfect? > > Including the 60’s, when civil rights activists were murdered? > [@Frank](#): > > 😃 Those “cherry-picked ills” _were_ society, numbnuts. No, they were ills that existed _within_ society, and they were far, far less damaging than the ones we have today. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2868 "2012-02-10T07:13:07Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > You’re such a tease 😉 We’re waiting!!! You know, on second thought and considering the walls of shit that **Huerta** posts, it might be better for me to drive into town one of these days soon where I can tackle them on a library computer that hopefully is less vulnerable to the viruses and malware that one can pick up on Windows machines here these days, and where I can cut, paste and type faster than in my iPod. Yup, I’m gonna have to give that some thought. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2869 "2012-02-10T07:14:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, they were ills that existed _within_ society, and they were far, far less damaging than the ones we have today. Well, you don’t have to answer me anymore tonight, I’m going to bed. You now have time to point out lies, misconceptions, and miscomprehensions. Or you could just look in the mirror; that’s likely be quicker. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2870 "2012-02-10T07:27:11Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > Btw I read your posts in either Archie Bunker, Daffy Duck, or Patrick Star’s voice. You are too fucking funny :D:D:D Some of them work really well in a Captain Queeg voice. It’s from the right era, too. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2871 "2012-02-10T07:58:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, what disgusts you is that I want to consider the facts and you believe that any right thinking person duly opposed to child abuse should simply hop onto the nearest worst-case scenario and assume it’s true while simultaneously refusing to look at exculpatory facts and excoriating anyone who dares bring them up. The only “facts” you’ve given us are absurd scenarios involving child molestation in minute detail. > [@](#): > > People like you are responsible for untold numbers of deaths throughout history, and I’m not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that people like you are far greatet threats to society than child molesters could ever be…and that’s pretty damn hideous! I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. > [@](#): > > Sorry, dear, but I don’t feel sorry for you because you need it; I feel sorry for you becausr I can’t help it. I’m not your “dear”, and I’ll thank you to stop calling me that. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2872 "2012-02-10T11:38:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That’s because there’s been more hysteria and willful ignorance and utter disregard for the principals of evidence, due process, truth and justice than in any other Pit thread in SDMB history Well stop posting then. Jesus - do you somehow think there is any way at all you’re coming back from this? That there is anything at all you can say that will change people’s perception of you? This topic has made you the single most reviled poster in the history of the Dope. You’ve gone from being a comically deluded ass we all laughed at to creepy, obsessed pedophiile apologist in just two threads. Put down that shovel. Stop digging. And then give serious thought as to your continued presence on this board knowing that forever onwards you’re not going to be able to escape the smell of the shit you’ve smeared all over yourself in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2873 "2012-02-10T12:21:09Z")
The only thing I’m guilty of in this thread is refusing to jump on the lynch mob bandwagon and insisting upon evidence rather than assumptions before deciding someone is guilty of a crime. The fact that you don’t like the crime does not in any way justify jumping to conclusions about what happened. The facts are that there is not a shred of evidence that Joe Paterno knowingly tried to cover up or diminish or disappear what McQueary told him; there’s not a shred of evidence that Joe Paterno knew of and looked the other way for years while Sandusky was raping and abusing kids on campus; and a close look at the specifics shows that Sandusky most likely is not guilty of the anal rape that everyone is so eager to convict him of. It doesn’t matter how many other crimes Sandusky committed, and it doesn’t matter that in the McQueary incident he may have up to something skeevy. What matters, if we’re going to condemn him for rape in that particular instance, is that he be actually guilty of rape in that particular instance. I couldn’t care less about any negative opinions that accrue to me for insisting upon due process and evidence before we condemn Joe Paterno for the many vile accusations that have come his way in this thread, or before we convict someone in the court of public opinion of a rape that evidence does not support simply because we’re outraged and we want to. You can take it to the bank that I’m far more disgusted with you and your ilk in this thread than you ever will be of me, and if other people around the board choose to think like you and **Huerta** and **Guin** and the crackpots in this thread, their good esteem is of absolutely no value to me and I’m well rid of them. Fortunately, however, it appears that sanity is more widespread outside this within it, and a gratifying number of posters there seem able to recognize that looking at the facts and arriving at the truth is not such a dispicable act after all. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2874 "2012-02-10T14:03:20Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > You’re such a tease 😉 We’re waiting!!! Any day now. Full disclosure – I wish this moron were smarter. As Sandusky would not say – this isn’t hard. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2875 "2012-02-10T14:48:54Z")
Things we’ll be waiting a very long time for: your number to be called at the DMV Jesus’ return Hell freezing over Godot Heat death of the Universe **Starving Artist** ’s epic refutation of **Huerta88** ’s ‘lies and mischaracterizations’ ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2876 "2012-02-10T14:50:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Fortunately, however, it appears that sanity is more widespread outside this within it, and a gratifying number of posters there seem able to recognize that looking at the facts and arriving at the truth is not such a dispicable act after all. Cite? Nambla cite not acceptable btw. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2877 "2012-02-10T15:41:35Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > The fact that you don’t like the crime does not in any way justify jumping to conclusions about what happened. Exactly. Which is why Paterno should have called the police - so they could investigate and determine what happened. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2878 "2012-02-10T16:52:37Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > youre too much the woman to try and redeem your miserable disgusting existence with the first manly act of your life). **Huerta** , I am loving the ass-kicking you’ve been laying down, but would you mind not using “woman” as in insult? It might be demeaning to **SA** , but it’s also horribly sexist and offensive to women. Likewise, I disliked your use of “shemale” as an insult. Surely you can be more creative than that and successfully insult our resident pedo without offending everyone else at the same time? Many thanks. I love that the length of this thread is now the answer to the question “what do crappy workplaces, Republicans and Jerry Sandusky have in common?” ETA: Joe Paterno, at the very least, minimized the crime by waiting a day to report it to Curley and Schultz. If he couldn’t get hold of his supervisors immediately, he should have called the police and delivered the report himself, as the law requires an immediate report to be made. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2879 "2012-02-10T21:41:53Z")
Like I already said earlier in this thread… To hell with Sandusky. To hell with Paterno. To hell with Penn State. To hell with the rabid fans who are more upset that PENN STATE got slagged over this, than over the sort of shit THEY were ignoring or enabling or covering up for. To hell with them ALL. All of them should either drop dead, or go to prison and stay there until they drop dead. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2880 "2012-02-10T23:06:41Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Any day now. > > Full disclosure – I wish this moron were smarter. As Sandusky would not say – this isn’t hard. I personally am shocked by the mob mentality here which has rushed to judgment on **Starving Artist** without due process, logic or reason. For all we know he really does have extensive evidence and public support for his position and you’re all jumping to conclusions based on the fact that he just hasn’t demonstrated any of it yet. I mean, the thread is only 50+ pages long - give the man some time. If the Penn State Board hadn’t blindly caved in to the mob after only two and a half years of investigation we wouldn’t be in this mess - surely we can give **SA** a little more time than that to make sure that justice is done properly. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2881 "2012-02-10T23:15:04Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > All of them should either drop dead, or go to prison and stay there until they drop dead. To be fair, Paterno already did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=143) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=145)