# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2882 "2012-02-10T23:19:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Like I already said earlier in this thread… > > To hell with Sandusky. > To hell with Paterno. > To hell with Penn State. > To hell with the rabid fans who are more upset that PENN STATE got slagged over this, than over the sort of shit THEY were ignoring or enabling or covering up for. > To hell with them ALL. > > All of them should either drop dead, or go to prison and stay there until they drop dead. Why stop there? Why not… To hell with Pennsylvania for harboring and nurturing Penn State and its fans. To hell with the U.S. for keeping Pennsylvania safe and protected within its borders. To hell with the Western Hemisphere because it contains the United States. To hell, in fact, with the whole damn world because McQueary thought he saw a rape. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Gotta say this thread has been a revelation. Who knew there were so many hysterical lunatics out there? (Answer: Nancy Grace!) Gotta give the woman props. She has recognized and been able to exploit the much larger percentage of hysterical, scattershot, vengeance-prone idiots in our population than I would ever have imagined exists. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2883 "2012-02-10T23:25:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > If the Penn State Board hadn’t blindly caved in to the mob after only two and a half years of investigation we wouldn’t be in this mess… Perhaps you could regale us with the list of charges against Paterno which the investigation uncovered and led to his firing? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2884 "2012-02-10T23:25:55Z")
See? It’s writing posts like the one above that have prevented him from having enough time to present an argument of any substance. Give the man some breathing space! ETA: Well, the one above that. Clearly my posts are of integral importance to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2885 "2012-02-10T23:33:33Z")
I’ve already offered arguments of substance. Surely you noticed the resulting hysteria. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2886 "2012-02-10T23:45:30Z")
For a guy who has promised a total refutation of **Huerta** but is struggling along with a limited instrument for typewritten communication, you sure have put up an enormous wall of bullshit avoidance text. Asshole. Liar. Pedophile. But you do still have some entertainment value. Dance, dipshit, dance!! ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2887 "2012-02-10T23:59:16Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#): > > **Huerta** , I am loving the ass-kicking you’ve been laying down, but would you mind not using “woman” as in insult? For you – I can. How’s this: “Real Men (the kind who existed in the perfect 1950s, when adults would not even listen to and would not believe it was possible that a child had been reportedly raped, because no one bled to death, so rapists of children also operated with impunity, which was also perfect) don’t do anything less than their maximal efforts to pursue and prevent rapists, and they also don’t invent cowardly insulting lies to cover up for rapists and their enablers?” I think that conveys the point quite well too. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2888 "2012-02-11T00:04:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Perhaps you could regale us with the list of charges against Paterno which the investigation uncovered and led to his firing? There’s only one, and that’s more than is required to fire a coach at any college: Failure to exercise adequate oversight of persons interacting with children and failure to vigorously pursue and confirm the proper investigation of reported serious sexual improprieties relating to such interaction. Yep, guilty as charged (as though private institutions had to hold full-blown trials or something – the only full-blown trials that take place around PSU are the ones Sandusky subjects little boys to). ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2889 "2012-02-11T00:22:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve already offered arguments of substance. Surely you noticed the resulting hysteria. You offer nothing of substance. ETA: Except for the fact that that in all circumstances you seem feel that the absolute bare minimum is an acceptable goal to attain. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2890 "2012-02-11T00:31:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve already offered arguments of substance. Surely you noticed the resulting hysteria. I noticed a lingering stench; is that close enough? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2891 "2012-02-11T00:49:51Z")
Did Nancy Grace run over your dog or something **Starving Artist**? You seem a wee obsessed. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2892 "2012-02-11T00:57:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > what a defense attorney’s life must be like. Scummy, lying, and corrupt, for the most part? Yes, you are as well as much of the criminal defense bar. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2893 "2012-02-11T01:57:59Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > This topic has made you the single most reviled poster in the history of the Dope. That’s not entirely true. He hasn’t yet sunk to the depths of **Cesario** (but not for lack of trying). ---
**Author:** ![Stelios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Stelios](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stelios)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2894 "2012-02-11T02:09:02Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > That’s not entirely true. He hasn’t yet sunk to the depths of **Cesario** (but not for lack of trying). Well…Cesario went away. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2895 "2012-02-11T03:26:53Z")
You guys had him _whacked_?! ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2896 "2012-02-11T03:41:06Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Unfortunately for you, bitch, I’m here to check your shit. And I’m not going away, bitch. Your meager intellectual attainments make this all too easy to dash off, and the not-so-minor point, you’re an evil retarded pervert who needs to be beaten down as often as possible (there’s an honorable alternative, but like Sandusky, and unlike Rommel, **youre too much the woman** to try and redeem your miserable disgusting existence with the first manly act of your life). (emphasis added) What the hell happened to you? I defended you in the past on more than one occasion when ignorant dumbasses on here accused you of being a Nazi, and now you’re using “woman” as an insult? And a pretty nasty one at that. You’ve either let Starving Artist live inside your head too much, or…fuck, something else, I don’t know. Not cool. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2897 "2012-02-11T04:48:39Z")
Nothing at all has happened to him. He’s still the same homophobic, sexist, probably racist, and deeply, profoundly dishonest dillweed he’s always been. Were **Starving Artist** actually living in his head he’d be absent all these qualities. Od course if you could even begin to demonstrate otherwise, I’m sure **Starving Artist** would welcome you to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2898 "2012-02-11T04:54:40Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > (emphasis added) > > What the hell happened to you? I defended you in the past on more than one occasion when ignorant dumbasses on here accused you of being a Nazi, and now you’re using “woman” as an insult? And a pretty nasty one at that. > > You’ve either let Starving Artist live inside your head too much, or…fuck, something else, I don’t know. Not cool. I’m a woman and was not offended by Huerta’s comments at all. I could be way off, but my take was that he was mocking SA and using SA’s obvious biases to fuck with him. Kind of like Stephen Colberts bit on that senator whose name escapes me right now (the homophobic conservative with the “wide stance”) or when Howard Stern accused David Duke of wearing a pink sheet with high heels underneath. That was my read on it anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2899 "2012-02-11T05:03:01Z")
Then perhaps you could be so kind as to illucidate or cite some of **SA’s** “obvious biases”? ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2900 "2012-02-11T05:40:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Then perhaps you could be so kind as to illucidate or cite some of **SA’s** “obvious biases”? It would probably be fair to say you have a bias in favor of Paterno, wouldn’t you agree? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2901 "2012-02-11T05:44:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Then perhaps you could be so kind as to illucidate or cite some of **SA’s** “obvious biases”? We, as amateurs, bow to your professionalism. You’ve already done a more than thorough job of this. Thank you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=146)