# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 147
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2922 "2012-02-11T22:30:35Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Hey, he hasn’t called him a [lying whore](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366822) . . . yet! fnord! Isn’t that redundant? The things whores say to their clients (“Oh, yes, baby”; “you’re so good”; “more, more”, etc.) are almost certainly lies, arent they? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2923 "2012-02-11T22:37:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …I believe that before a man should be caged up for years and his family deprived of its husband, father and breadwinner, something along the lines of proof beyond a reasonable doubt should be established. Agreed. Now, what standard of proof should apply before we say bad things about someone on the internet? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2924 "2012-02-11T22:43:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > here we have you and **Guin** openly advocating a policy of ‘we don’t know for sure that this guy’s guilty but let’s lock him up just in case’, with other people in the thread jumping to wild, unsupported conclusions about what Joe Paterno thought, knew and did Show me where either of them advocated any such position. No one has “jumped to any conclusion” other than that Paterno swore that he was told of what the GJ characterized, and Paterno paraphrased, “fondling or sexual contact” and McQueary swore he told Paterno of “extreme sexual conduct, way over the line.” Both of those characterizations were more than enough to morally indict Paterno as a feeble old cowardly dolt who did the bare minimum and thereby enabled more molestation by your other hero Sandusky. No one. You cannot run away from your hero’s own admissions dumbfuck. I’ll await your response (I’m awaiting so many) where either of the posters you slandered advocated “locking [anybody] up just in case” with no proof of guilt. By the way, you dumbfuck, Sandusky will be tried before a jury of his peers (ugh, sorry jurors) and Paterno had the benefit of a full blown two and a half year investigation with ample opportunity to justify his conduct (he failed) and full deliberation by the Board of PSU. So your retarded counterfactual speculation about anyone being “locked up” without a fair hearing is both (as with all your fabricated facts) irrelevant to the context of this post and fictitious as to what the posters you slandered ever said or advocated. Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![AustinJane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df788c/32.png) [@AustinJane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AustinJane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2925 "2012-02-11T23:07:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You are little better than they, if at all. People should never be convicted, especially of serious crimes, on the unsubstantiated word of one person or because numbskulls like you think that in certain cases it’s better to err on the side of guilt. And another insight to SA’s mind, he has jumped to conviction. So you are objecting in advance to the possibility that Sandusky (and Paterno’s legacy by connection) will get convicted based on the consensus of the general opinion of the internet, not based on the numerous first person testimonies. You are fucking sick. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2926 "2012-02-11T23:25:02Z")
> [@AustinJane](#): > > And another insight to SA’s mind, he has jumped to conviction. So you are objecting in advance to the possibility that Sandusky (and Paterno’s legacy by connection) will get convicted based on the consensus of the general opinion of the internet, not based on the numerous first person testimonies. You are fucking sick. He is, but it’s also an insight into his significantly limited IQ. He appears to **truly believe** that when the undisputed facts lead to him being demonstrably wrong, it is a **highly persuasive and victory-conferring** tactic to introduce counter-factual, fabricated “facts” and argue based on them. He never seems to suspect anyone will call him on it, and being an intellectually-impaired congenital liar, never admits his fabrication when they do. It’s been a theme through the whole thread. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2927 "2012-02-12T00:00:07Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Isn’t that redundant? … Nope. The sex is free. The lies are what you’re paying for! 😃 CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2928 "2012-02-12T00:08:37Z")
> [@AustinJane](#): > > And another insight to SA’s mind, he has jumped to conviction. Not quite. Remember when I said “proof” should be required? What I’m saying is that proof should be required before someone is convicted of a crime, whether in a court of law or the court of public opinion. And further, as it pertains to this thread, exculpatory evidence should not be willfully ignored…whether in service to a mistaken conclusion or pure squeamishness. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2929 "2012-02-12T00:33:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And further, as it pertains to this thread, exculpatory evidence should not be willfully ignored…whether in service to a mistaken conclusion or pure squeamishness. I can’t wait. First, there was the Twinkie defense, then the Chewbacca defense. Now, we’ll get the Paper Towel Roll defense! No jury will be able to withstand the obvious logic. If he cannot squat, you must vote “Not”! ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2930 "2012-02-12T03:01:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not quite. Remember when I said “proof” should be required? What I’m saying is that proof should be required before someone is convicted of a crime, whether in a court of law or the court of public opinion. And further, as it pertains to this thread, exculpatory evidence should not be willfully ignored…whether in service to a mistaken conclusion or pure squeamishness. One last time you dumb bitch – your made up speculation and counterfactual fabrications are not “evidence” of any sort at all. You do not get to testify you dumb bitch. Most telling proof of your idiothood is that not even the pedophile or his doddering enabler has been stupid enough to assert your retard idiocy. Paterno never claimed that he did not think McQueary witnessed a criminal sexual assault, nor defend himself by claiming (on only you, a retard, would pretend) that he didn’t do more because he seriously thought McQueary was “confused” or had maybe only seen “non sexual fondling”.l Sandusky will not defend himself at trial with the claim that is was physically impossible for him to rape a ten year old boy, because he’d be laughed out of court. You, little bitcch, stand alone as unique \_\_ you’re asserting theories that are too stupid for a lying coward of a pedophile to try out. Where’s that withering refutation of all my lies you promised, or the answers to my other proofs of your lies? Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2931 "2012-02-12T03:10:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And further, as it pertains to this thread, exculpatory evidence should not be willfully ignored… Good point, it’s just a shame that you haven’t actually _presented_ any exculpatory evidence. Made up ‘facts’ that either aren’t _in_, or _directly contradict_ the sworn testimony don’t count. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2932 "2012-02-12T03:28:14Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > If he cannot squat, you must vote “Not”! I will _never_ be able to stop laughing at this remark. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2933 "2012-02-12T06:27:42Z")
I eagerly await the Little Bitch’s “pointing out” of my “lies.” Here I am, Little Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2934 "2012-02-12T06:37:39Z")
Little Bitch has nothing – as I’d supposed. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2935 "2012-02-12T06:43:41Z")
Well, you seeI changed my mind about that. I went back to your first post after a couple days away somewhere around the 7th, and after finishing an hour and a half later I had a post twenty times longer than the average post and it became obvious, knowing your posting style, that each new post would only lead to endless rehashes of the obfuscatory, dishonest nonsense you’d already posted, and the thread would become loaded down with ten times as much crap from you as exists now. So I decided to just start busting your ass for your lies and misrepresentations as they occur rather than trying to correct pages full of horseshit already past. So that’s what I’ll do, when and as I please. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2936 "2012-02-12T06:46:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, you seeI changed my mind about that. I went back to your first post after a couple days away somewhere around the 7th, and after finishing an hour and a half later I had a post twenty times longer than the average post and it became obvious, knowing your posting style, that each new post would only lead to endless rehashes of the obfuscatory, dishonest nonsense you’d already posted, and the thread would become loaded down with ten times as much crap from you as exists now. So I decided to just start busting your ass for your lies and misrepresentations as they occur rather than trying to correct pages full of horseshit already past. > > So that’s what I’ll do, when and as I wish. So that is your agreement that you are and remain a Little Bitch who can’t and wont respond to clear demonstrations of her mendacity and lies. Coward. You’re a demonstrated liar and pervert. Disprove it “when you wish.” ---
**Author:** ![DennisMM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dennismm/32/17003_2.png) [@DennisMM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DennisMM)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2937 "2012-02-12T06:50:52Z")
Do you know any way to characterize an opponent than variations on “bitch”? I thought this site supposedly attracted the intelligent and articulate. I don’t care what you think of SA and his postings, but your constant references to him as a bitch merely leave the appearance that you are somehow inept. Now call me a bitch for daring to speak up, and prove your own lameness. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2938 "2012-02-12T06:59:14Z")
> [@DennisMM](#): > > Do you know any way to characterize an opponent than variations on “bitch”? I thought this site supposedly attracted the intelligent and articulate. I don’t care what you think of SA and his postings, but your constant references to him as a bitch merely leave the appearance that you are somehow inept. > > Now call me a bitch for daring to speak up, and prove your own lameness. Oh, I have plenty. **SA** is clearly a bitch in the classical, prison-based sense of someone’s rape toy. He has almost certainly raped and/or been raped in a custodial setting. But he is also a pedophile enabler, an idiot, a moron, an excuser of shower rape, an exemplar of an old-school enabler of the old-guy-on-young-boy-child-rape, fact pattern behavior. I’ll match my ineptitude against yours anyday – bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2939 "2012-02-12T07:15:18Z")
> [@DennisMM](#): > > Do you know any way to characterize an opponent than variations on “bitch”? I thought this site supposedly attracted the intelligent and articulate. I don’t care what you think of SA and his postings, but your constant references to him as a bitch merely leave the appearance that you are somehow inept. > > Now call me a bitch for daring to speak up, and prove your own lameness. Dude, you’re in the Pit. You might want to read the forum description. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2940 "2012-02-12T07:26:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, you seeI changed my mind about that. I went back to your first post after a couple days away somewhere around the 7th, and after finishing an hour and a half later I had a post twenty times longer than the average post and it became obvious, knowing your posting style, that each new post would only lead to endless rehashes of the obfuscatory, dishonest nonsense you’d already posted, and the thread would become loaded down with ten times as much crap from you as exists now. So I decided to just start busting your ass for your lies and misrepresentations as they occur rather than trying to correct pages full of horseshit already past. > > So that’s what I’ll do, when and as I please. You’re like half a promised release date from Microsoft and half Cher’s Really Final, No, This Time I Mean It Farewell Tour. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2941 "2012-02-12T07:43:18Z")
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