# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 148
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2942 "2012-02-12T08:06:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, you seeI changed my mind about that. Liar. Coward. ---
**Author:** ![Stelios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Stelios](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stelios)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2943 "2012-02-12T12:13:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yes, it was so very kind of you to agree to suppress your natural inclinations in return for support of your idiotic behahavior in this thread. Most lying sexist, homophobic Nazis wouldn’t be so [del]cowardly[/del] kind. Fuck off, you pedophile apologist. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2944 "2012-02-12T15:44:48Z")
> [@Stelios](#): > > Fuck off, you pedophile apologist. +1. Buried deeper and deeper in the layers of obfuscation is a group of young boys- now young men- who were raped. Apparently, that’s of little to no consequence next to the mighty mighty reputation of The Nittany Lions’ Finest. As the bright light of public scrutiny fades away, Sandusky awaits his chance to stop House Arrest. So he can get outside. To watch the small boys playing in the school playground…which adjoins his home. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2945 "2012-02-12T15:52:21Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > As the bright light of public scrutiny fades away, Sandusky awaits his chance to stop House Arrest. So he can get outside. Not quite. Right now, he can go sit on his back porch or in his front yard whenever he wants. It is the prosecution that is asking that he be barred from doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2946 "2012-02-12T16:30:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So I decided to just start busting your ass for your lies and misrepresentations as they occur You can start – now. Show me one lie and one misrepresentation as to the following: –You lied in saying there was no authority that criminalized naked man-boy touching in a shower, after I had posted the Pennsylvania indecent exposure statute twice. Prove you did not lie. –You lied when you repeatedly tried to testify that there was “no evidence of distress” on Victim No. 2’s face. –You lied when you claimed McQueary wouldn’t have seen Sandusky raping Victim No. 2 because the lights were off (they indubitably were not) and obviously when McQueary turned them on Sandusky would have backed away. –You lied when you claimed that reasonable people would clearly have read the Grand Jury’s characterization of Paterno’s paraphrase using the word “fondling” as meaning “non-sexualized touching.” The IMHO poll proved what utter crap this was, humiliating you in the process. You still have not acknowledged the fallacious nature of your position. Those four allegations just “occurred.” Bust my ass (but please, not Sandusky style) on those, any of those, right now, or be proven a bitch. Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2947 "2012-02-12T16:33:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Exciting, isn’t it? No, more disgusting. You, that is, are disgusting. It isn’t a game of hide-the-soap when children are being raped and those in power are either doing the raping or letting it go on, and those in the peanut gallery are feverishly loving the thrill of imagining various configurations of man boy contact in a shower. Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2948 "2012-02-12T16:48:28Z")
**Huerta**? Enough of “bitch”. Just sayin’, is all. But enough. ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2949 "2012-02-12T16:53:13Z")
Am I the only one who’s starting to wonder if **Huerta** is **Starving Artist** ’s sock (or vice versa), engaged in an elaborate, 600+ piece of Internet performance art? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2950 "2012-02-12T17:01:22Z")
Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2951 "2012-02-12T17:18:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Huerta**? Enough of “bitch”. Just sayin’, is all. But enough. For you – done. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2952 "2012-02-12T17:35:50Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > For you – done. Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2953 "2012-02-12T18:10:56Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Bitch. I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2954 "2012-02-12T18:36:05Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > I laughed. Good, that was the response it was meant to elicit. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2955 "2012-02-12T19:46:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, **SA** , have you talked to your family yet about what you’ve been doing here? I asked this over a week ago. And wondered aloud if he had the courage to do so. No response. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2956 "2012-02-12T20:50:47Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I asked this over a week ago. And wondered aloud if he had the courage to do so. > > No response. Are we overlooking the possibility that they’ve already disowned him? Maybe they’ve been down this road before, madness seldom blossoms out of nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2957 "2012-02-12T20:58:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Huerta**? Enough of “bitch”. Just sayin’, is all. But enough. I’ve always thought the whole Carthago delenda est thing was just a hilarioius thing to do. This was my lowbrow hommage to Cato. But I made whatever point I made, and enough (and this coincides with his admission that he did lack the nads to even try to disprove one, let alone all, of my “lies,” which he’d first have to identify, which he can’t). ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2958 "2012-02-12T21:44:26Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, **SA** , have you talked to your family yet about what you’ve been doing here? Seriously. If you haven’t, you need to. Get the opinions of family members, close friends, and a counselor/therapist/shrink. Let them read this thread, others if you want, and listen to their take on your state of mind. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2959 "2012-02-12T22:03:58Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > You can start – now. Show me one lie and one misrepresentation as to the following: > > –You lied in saying there was no authority that criminalized naked man-boy touching in a shower, after I had posted the Pennsylvania indecent exposure statute twice. Prove you did not lie. This is a lie. You posted a broadly worded statute obviouly intended to allow the police and prosecuters wide latitude in bring charges for various forms of child abuse or alleged child abuse. Nothing in it specifically addresses adults and minors showering together or somehow touching each other. Therefore there was no law specifically prohibiting it and no law for Joe Paterno to have known of as alleged. > [@Huerta88](#): > > –You lied when you repeatedly tried to testify that there was “no evidence of distress” on Victim No. 2’s face. You are lying by accusing me of lying about this. There _is_ no evidence of distress on victim #2’s face. McQueary never testified to it and none has been presented in this thread. > [@Huerta88](#): > > –You lied when you claimed McQueary wouldn’t have seen Sandusky raping Victim No. 2 because the lights were off (they indubitably were not) and obviously when McQueary turned them on Sandusky would have backed away. This is not only a lie, but typical of the way you’ve habitually distorted the truth and repeated it over and over again in a transparent attempt to mislead the thread’s readership. I was simply mistaken, having formed that belief by something one of the thread’s anti-Paterno crowd had said earlier in the thread. Information was immediately posted (maybe even by you) showing McQueary’s clear testimony as to wondering why the lights were on when he entered the room, whereupon I immediately acknowledged the error and retracted that aspect of my argument. I’m curious to know how many more times you’ll repeat this lie before the thread dies, as you know the truth perfectly well but still repeat this lie at every opportunity. > [@Huerta88](#): > > –You lied when you claimed that reasonable people would clearly have read the Grand Jury’s characterization of Paterno’s paraphrase using the word “fondling” as meaning “non-sexualized touching.” This is, unsurprisingly, yet another lie. I not only said nothing about what reasonable people reading\*\*\*\* the GJ report would think. What I said was that to Paterno, a product of a different time, the term “fondling” did not necessarily carry a sexual connotation. > [@Huerta88](#): > > The IMHO poll proved what utter crap this was, humiliating you in the process. Hardly. What it showed was what a deeply dishonest poster you are. You not only framed your OP to get the answer you wanted, but it was completely different than the way you posed the question to me. Once you were busted, first by **DrDeth** and then by me, the thread’s posters found out what you were up to, responses dropped off dramatically and the thread sunk like a stone. Nevertheless, you have continued to claim the thread backed you up and embarrassed me when neither claim has a grain of truth. > [@Huerta88](#): > > Those four allegations just “occurred.” Bust my ass (but please, not Sandusky style) on those, any of those, right now, or be proven a bitch. > > Bitch. You know, I really don’t object that much to your use of “bitch”. It illustrates in one word what a silly, immature, lightweight and dishonest poster you are. You’ve shown your ass all over the board on this issue and I for one couldn’t be more pleased. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2960 "2012-02-12T22:08:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You’ve shown your ass all over the board on this issue and I for one couldn’t be more pleased. 🙂 Likewise, you’ve shown yourself to BE an ass. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2961 "2012-02-12T22:30:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …What I said was that to Paterno, a product of a different time, the term “fondling” did not necessarily carry a sexual connotation… He would not only have to be the product of a different time, but a different universe. And how, pray, do you know this? Has he offered some testimony to that effect, or are you offering us the evidence of your own telepathic powers? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=147) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=149)