# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 149
**Author:** ![Stelios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Stelios](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stelios)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2962 "2012-02-12T22:40:13Z")
Tell ya what everyone, when this thread gets to 3,000 posts, how about we all call it a day? Eh? Because otherwise, this will literally never end. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2963 "2012-02-12T22:48:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He would not only have to be the product of a different time, but a different universe. And how, pray, do you know this? Has he offered some testimony to that effect, or are you offering us the evidence of your own telepathic powers? I don’t know it, I was merely speculating in response to having been asked what Paterno would have thought upon being told of fondling. There had been an incident three years earlier where a parent complained Sandusky had hugged her child in the shower, an incident that Paterno may well have thought was misconstrued given that he came from an age when child sex abuse was seldom heard of, as was homosexuality in the macho world of football. IMO he may have felt in each case that Sandusky might have simply been being affectionate rather than sexually motivated. Again this is just speculation, but it seems credible and at least possible to me. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2964 "2012-02-12T22:56:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t know it, I was merely speculating in response to having been asked what Paterno would have thought upon being told of fondling. There had been an incident three years earlier where a parent complained Sandusky had hugged her child in the shower, an incident that Paterno may well have thought was misconstrued given that he came from an age when child sex abuse was seldom heard of, as was homosexuality in the macho world of football. IMO he may have felt in each case that Sandusky might have simply been being affectionate rather than sexually motivated. Again this is just speculation, but it seems credible and at least possible to me. To you and precisely one other voter, last I checked the poll. Almost everyone else, 190+, thought that in the context it occurred, it was nothing but sexual. As I’ve also pointed out ad nauseum, there’s no actual proof that McQueary himself said “fondling.” All of his own sworn testimony has been to “some form of intercourse” or “extreme sexual contact, way over the line.” “Fondling,” as far as I can tell, is very likely either Paterno’s dumbed-down characterization of this (but Paterno never claimed in any interview that he thought or meant something non-sexual) or the GJ’s paraphrase of Paterno. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2965 "2012-02-12T23:07:17Z")
It’s a phrase that the anti-Paterno crowd has been bandying about all through the thread and now suddenly you want to discredit it? Have you no response to having been busted four times out of four for your most recent list of lies? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2966 "2012-02-12T23:12:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s a phrase that the anti-Paterno crowd has been bandying about all through the thread and now suddenly you want to discredit it? > > Have you no response to having been busted four times out of four for your most recent list of lies? You didn’t bust me on anything and no one here thinks you did. No one. Just ask. Follow real closely: –“fondling” is still sexual assault and Paterno didn’t need to know anything more to take forceful action, regardless of whether it was him or McQueary who used the word; –there is no evidence that McQueary did, in fact, use it; –therefore there is no basis for your sixty moronic threads attempting to suggest that McQueary talked about two totally separate things or was “uncertain” what he saw; and –Paterno himself in the aftermath of the scandal never attempted to defend himself by claiming he had a mental picture of something possibly non-sexual when he said fondling. He could have, but he was not as stupid as you so he did not. –none of it matters because your entire stupid attempts to discredit McQueary and bolster your doddering old hero are a red herring ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2967 "2012-02-12T23:14:22Z")
And now, since our friend **Huerta** is so eager to call me out for not responding soon enough to please him, I should probably announce that we’re having some people over for dinner tonight with my chicken and dumplings being the requested dish, so I must bid you adieu for a while. Don’t take any wooden nickels, and most of all don’t believe a word out of **Huerta’s** mouth. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@The\_Dord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Dord)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2968 "2012-02-12T23:27:29Z")
Wow, what an arrogant twat… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2969 "2012-02-13T00:04:13Z")
Man, those people are _hungry_! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2970 "2012-02-13T02:33:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And now, since our friend **Huerta** is so eager to call me out for not responding soon enough to please him, I should probably announce that we’re having some people over for dinner tonight with my chicken and dumplings being the requested dish, so I must bid you adieu for a while. Don’t take any wooden nickels, and most of all don’t believe a word out of **Huerta’s** mouth. Be sure and regale them with your spirited defence of Joe Pa, particularly the bits concerning the paper towel tube test and the 100 lined up ten-year-old boys. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2971 "2012-02-13T02:34:48Z")
May the chicken be pink in the center and the dumplings be crystalline in texture. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2972 "2012-02-13T03:34:38Z")
Hopefully he didn’t take it to heart when someone told him to keep fucking that chicken. Of course, a chicken might serve better than a paper towel roll for simulating sex with a ten year old boy. If you were in to that sort of thing, and your guests didn’t mind, of course. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2973 "2012-02-13T05:40:55Z")
The recipe does say “Bone the chicken”. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2974 "2012-02-13T11:20:33Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > I’ve always thought the whole Carthago delenda est thing was just a hilarioius thing to do. This was my lowbrow hommage to Cato. Appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2975 "2012-02-13T11:23:46Z")
duplicate ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2976 "2012-02-13T11:27:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And now, since our friend **Huerta** is so eager to call me out for not responding soon enough to please him, I should probably announce that we’re having some people over for dinner tonight with my chicken and dumplings being the requested dish, so I must bid you adieu for a while. Don’t take any wooden nickels, and most of all don’t believe a word out of **Huerta’s** mouth. ‘Dumplings’? Is that some sort of code? \*Ceterum censeo Starving Artist esse delendam \* ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2977 "2012-02-13T13:06:20Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > I’ve always thought the whole Carthago delenda est thing was just a hilarioius thing to do. This was my lowbrow hommage to Cato. I was thinking less Cato and more [Cartman](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=14766703) (audio NSFW). And let’s not be hatin’ on chicken and dumplings, people. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2978 "2012-02-13T16:52:58Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I was thinking less Cato and more [Cartman](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=14766703) (audio NSFW). > > And let’s not be hatin’ on chicken and dumplings, people. No one’s hating on dumplings. We just worry about **SA** ’s secret sauce. Your link pointed somewhere other than I think you intended, BTW . . . . ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2979 "2012-02-13T17:00:34Z")
Cartman **Huerta88** est! ---
**Author:** ![banjoDavid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@banjoDavid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/banjoDavid)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2980 "2012-02-13T18:21:40Z")
They’re gonna let Sandusky visit with his grand-kids. I hope they don’t leave the sonofabitch alone with those kids. David ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/2981 "2012-02-13T20:17:57Z")
Visitation allowed with eight of them under parental supervision, [one judge has ruled.](http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/13/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-grandkids/index.html?hpt=hp_t3) > [@](#): > > But another judge in a custody case involving the other three grandchildren should decide whether Sandusky can visit with them, Cleland ruled. The mother of those children has strongly objected to them having contact with Sandusky. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=148) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=150)