# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 152
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3022 "2012-02-14T06:10:03Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > You have some friends coming over for your famous "chicken and dumplings Friend Wife: Don’t forget, we have to go to **Starving Artist** ’s tonight for dinner. Friend Husband: Oh fuck. He’s going to make that goddamn chicken and dumplings again. He always puts in too much lemon. And the chicken tastes like cardboard tubes. Friend Wife: We can stop at Arby’s on the way. Just push the food around so it looks like we ate some, and so the dumplings won’t look like the buttocks of a hundred ten-year-old boys. I don’t know how he shapes them like that. Friend Husband: _sigh_ OK Friend Wife: Then we can stop at the SDMB on the way home! Friend Husband: _brightens_ Sounds good to me! ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3023 "2012-02-14T09:46:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sandusky was not unquestionably raping tbe boy. Loser dumbfuck – he was unquestionably raping the boy. McQueary’s undisputed, never repudiated, repeated, tesimony is to “some form of intercourse.” There is no sworn eyewitness testimony to the contrary. You loser dumbfuck. There is no countervailing eyewitness testimony, and no sworn McQueary testimony otherwise. He was, unquestionably, anally raping Victim No 2. You – you little liar – have not a shred of evidence otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3024 "2012-02-14T09:58:29Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Loser dumbfuck – he was unquestionably raping the boy. McQueary’s undisputed, never repudiated, repeated, tesimony is to “some form of intercourse.” There is no sworn eyewitness testimony to the contrary. > > You loser dumbfuck. > > There is no countervailing eyewitness testimony, and no sworn McQueary testimony otherwise. > > He was, unquestionably, anally raping Victim No 2. You – you little liar – have not a shred of evidence otherwise. But … but - cardboard tubes - crouching - alien/liberal shape-shifting dopplegangers. Reasonable doubt. _Ceterum censeo Starving Artist esse delendam_ ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3025 "2012-02-14T10:36:19Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Loser dumbfuck – he was unquestionably raping the boy. McQueary’s undisputed, never repudiated, repeated, tesimony is to “some form of intercourse.” “Some form” of intercourse means he didn’t know for sure what he saw. Have you ever seen intercourse you couldn’t describe? Besides, appearances can be deceiving, and what we do know is that McQueary admitted he did not witness penetration, and, judging by his complete lack of testimony in the affirmative, we can safely surmise that he did not see Sandusky squatting or thrusting, as would have lend further credence to McQueary’s belief that he had witnessed intercourse, nor did he testify to anything suggesting that the boy’s facial expression was one of pain, discomfort or distress. Quite the contrary, as a matter of fact, because while McQueary testified they both turned their heads to look at him, he said nothing whatsoever about the expression on either of their faces to suggest that “some form of intercourse” was indeed what he had happened upon. You insist on trying to treat McQueary’s impression of what he saw as incontrovertible proof and that’s just silly. People can easily be mistaken about things they say. For example, a person might describe you as a rational person of intelligence and good character but that doesn’t prove you are, especially in light of all the evidence we have to the contrary. Similarly, there is just too much evidence to the contrary to believe McQueary saw what he thought he saw. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3026 "2012-02-14T10:56:17Z")
[QUOTE=tagos] _Ceterum censeo Starving Artist esse delendam_ [/QUOTE] Wanna bet? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3027 "2012-02-14T11:15:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > For example, a person might describe you as a rational person of intelligence and good character but that doesn’t prove you are, especially in light of all the evidence we have to the contrary. Like when you describe Paterno? I see… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3028 "2012-02-14T11:28:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I simply don’t agree. All Paterno was likely to have known of at the time is that Sandusky apparently hugged a kid in the shower once and for all he knew that’s all there was to it and McQueary had misread what he saw. The thing is, _even if_ all Sandusky did was “hug a kid in the shower once”, for the vast majority of non-insane people that’s a big red flashing warning sign with extra klaxons right there. Normal grown men don’t do naked shower hugs with young boys. Really, they don’t. The fact that McQueary reported something more serious than a hug going on merely underlines that point. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3029 "2012-02-14T12:39:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, this is more **Huerta** like bullshit. The comment was clearly speculation, as anyone with a functioning brain would surmise from the context and the way the post was worded. Good, so I presume you will now stop using the term ‘evidence’ for your speculations. > [@](#): > > Nope, I’m sure everyone would have been roundly unconcerned bored with tales of my adventures on some message board they never heard of. Certainly people’s eyes have glazed over any other time I’ve mentioned what someone here said, usually at the mere mention of the words “message board”. In short, people don’t give a shit what a bunch of people on the internet whom they’ve never heard of have to say about anything. You’ve probably experienced it yourself. Of course, the question had to do with what they thought of YOUR contributions to this thread, not ours. But anyway, apparently you are fully aware of just how utterly ridiculous you would sound if you ever tried to describe, to people you know, what you’ve been doing here. Got it. Please do continue the buffoonery. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3030 "2012-02-14T14:34:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > “Some form” of intercourse means he didn’t know for sure what he saw. Have you ever seen intercourse you couldn’t describe? You absolutely pathetic, drooling moron— “Some form of” sautéing is still cooking. “Some form of” flycasting is still fishing. “Some form of” polo is still horseback riding. And “Some form of intercourse” is still fucking. In this case, in some poor kid’s ass. The only idiot in the entire world who cannot absorb this fact is you. No one, from the principals involved (McQueary , whose testimony is uncontroverted, and Paterno who issued zero denial) to the Grand Jury (see explanation under heading _indictment_) to every single person who has read your pedophile apologist drivel here, no one – repeat NO ONE sees any ambiguity. Just you. Cretin. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3031 "2012-02-14T15:23:43Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > “Some form of” polo is still horseback riding. Though you had better make sure in advance those horses can swim, I learnt this the hard way. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3032 "2012-02-14T16:24:08Z")
It could have been _social_ intercourse! That’s a form of intercourse, isn’t it? You show me where social intercourse is illegal! I dare you! ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3033 "2012-02-14T16:45:34Z")
Hate speech statutes? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3034 "2012-02-14T16:51:23Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > 1. In that vein, I wasn’t talking to SA - after all, I would hardly expect a worthwhile response from him. I was talking to those here who are still feeding him. Because it’s fun to poke the monkey and watch it dance? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3035 "2012-02-14T16:52:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Hate speech statutes? Aw, shaddup, beaver boy! ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3036 "2012-02-14T16:53:36Z")
There are statues to hate speech now?!?!?! [Emily Litella voice] Oh. Never mind. [/E. L. voice] ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3037 "2012-02-14T17:10:13Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > There are statues to hate speech now?!?!?! > > [Emily Litella voice] Oh. Never mind. [/E. L. voice] [So it would seem.](http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/strom-thurmond-statue.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3038 "2012-02-14T17:27:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > All Paterno was likely to have known of at the time is that Sandusky apparently hugged a kid in the shower once You are a fucking liar. There was absolutely no sworn testimony or other “evidence” about a “hug.” There was repeated sworn testimony about “sexual contact,” “some form of intercourse,” and “extreme sexual contact, way over the line,” the latter two coming from the only eyewitness. You are not an eyewitness (or are you, you fucking pervert?). You do not get to testify with counterfactual suppositions about what was “likely” you fucking legally retarded moron. By the way, for the record, can you detail for us the nature, source, and extent of your legal training, since you retardedly insist on victory laps about your legal and evidentiary superiority? You cannot invent facts about “hugging” that the **only** witness has conclusively, consistently, and exclusively never testified to. You fucking pervert retard. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3039 "2012-02-14T17:33:49Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > You are a fucking liar. There was absolutely no sworn testimony or other “evidence” about a “hug.” > > There was repeated sworn testimony about “sexual contact,” “some form of intercourse,” and “extreme sexual contact, way over the line,” the latter two coming from the only eyewitness. > > You are not an eyewitness (or are you, you fucking pervert?). You do not get to testify with counterfactual suppositions about what was “likely” you fucking legally retarded moron. By the way, for the record, can you detail for us the nature, source, and extent of your legal training, since you retardedly insist on victory laps about your legal and evidentiary superiority? > > You cannot invent facts about “hugging” that the **only** witness has conclusively, consistently, and exclusively never testified to. > > You fucking pervert retard. And as I pointed out, even if it were true it’s still cause for alarm. Naked locker room shower man-boy hugging is sufficient cause for a police inquiry. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3040 "2012-02-14T17:41:09Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > [So it would seem.](http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/strom-thurmond-statue.jpg) Point taken. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3041 "2012-02-14T18:11:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Aw, shaddup, beaver boy! Boy? _BOY?!?!_ [footstomp] I am NOT a boy! :mad:[/footstomp] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=151) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=153)