# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3102 "2012-02-16T02:04:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That you can interpret this as his not arguing that Paterno should have his kept his job is just more evidence of your determination to see what you want to see rather than the truth. Nope, Novak is quite clear that he’s **not** arguing that Paterno should have kept his job (he was planning to resign at the end of the 2011 season anyway, as [Novak pointed out in a previous article](http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/289587/injustice-done-joe-paterno-michael-novak?pg=1)). He just thinks that Paterno should have been sloughed off more gracefully and with a more fulsome show of respect: > [@](#): > > Recently the student newspaper at Penn State published an editorial asking the full board of trustees to resign. Why? Because in order to save their own skins, they did not give JoePa the gratitude due him, but instead fired him without even hearing from him. Without honoring him! Without first stressing his moral probity and leadership! Stress the guy’s moral probity and leadership **first** , and **then** accept his resignation. That’s not an argument that Paterno should have continued at Penn State, that’s just a complaint that the severance process was too ungracious and undignified. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Novak clearly believes Paterno did all he should have done, fullfilling his responsibility as required by law and university practice. Novak certainly is claiming—and nobody else is denying—that Paterno’s actions satisfied his legal responsibilities. But Novak quite adroitly refrains from pronouncing on whether they adequately fulfilled his moral responsibilities: > [@](#): > > “Judge not, lest ye be judged,” was, I thought, a primary commandment for all mere mortals. There are strict criteria for judging legal fault. Judging moral fault depends on a vaster, deeper knowledge about another than any of us has. We should commend one another to God’s judgment and ask for mercy for ourselves. Like I said, it’s compassionate, sensitive and admiring, but it’s not a vindication: rather, it’s a refusal to judge. If Novak wants to regard the question of Paterno’s moral culpability in this case as a matter solely between Paterno and his God, that’s his business. But it’s not the same thing as a persuasive argument that Paterno had no moral culpability at all. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > He also is incredulous that not one single Regent had the courage to speak up against the Board’s eagerness to “end the bad publicity” by sacrificing Paterno to the ravening hysterical mob. Interesting that you use the phrase “ravening hysterical mob” with reference to negative public opinion about Paterno and Penn State prompted by the Sandusky scandal—negative public opinion which, AFAICT, produced no violence or other illegal acts—but not about the **actual** mob of inflamed Paterno supporters who manifested their outrage over Paterno’s dismissal by [“several violent scenes in which protesters flipped over a media van and destroyed other property”](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/10/penn-state-students-flood-streets-after-firing-paterno/#ixzz1mVQxQ6BQ). Yeah, people who non-violently express outrage over institutional passivity and weakness that fails to prevent years of child sex abuse are a “ravening hysterical mob”, whereas angry crowds who tear down streetlights and turn over a van because they’re upset about the firing of a football coach are… not. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3103 "2012-02-16T02:08:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is yet one more example of the anti-Paterno crowd’s inability to think straight. Novak clearly believes Paterno did all he should have done, fullfilling his responsibility as required by law and university practice. He also is incredulous that not one single Regent had the courage to speak up against the Board’s eagerness to “end the bad publicity” by sacrificing Paterno to the ravening hysterical mob. That you can interpret this as his not arguing that Paterno should have his kept his job is just more evidence of your determination to see what you want to see rather than the truth. The fucker was 85 years old, and apparently going senile. Not to mention the fact that he didn’t live 6 months beyond his firing. How did firing his ass in any way damage a fucking football program at a place who’s primary responsibility is “education”, not “winning football games”, and what fucking difference would it make if it _had_? Oh, yeah… also, why should any of us who don’t give a shit about football, give a shit about Paterno, let alone be “anti-Paterno”? What part of “Don’t fucking give-a-shit about the fucker” are you finding hard to understand. Oh, Wait! We’re a “lynch mob” because we don’t give a shit. I guess that explains your ( **SA** ’s) logical lynching in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3104 "2012-02-16T02:24:40Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Hey man, I had First. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14777615&postcount=3084](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14777615&postcount=3084) What? You expect me to keep post-by-post track of this shit? You’re obviously a flaming librul, too. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3105 "2012-02-16T02:52:28Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > What? You expect me to keep post-by-post track of this shit? You’re obviously a flaming librul, too. Don’t get so defensive, anyone but an obvious idiot would know I was talking about an alternative speculative hypothetical set of facts, which are certainly true. Don’t believe it? Everyone here knows it’s true, all you have to do is take a paper towel tube, and . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3106 "2012-02-16T03:07:39Z")
For the record, I have no recollection of calling either **Huerta** or **Enola Gay** liberals. I may have, it’s a long thread and given their behavior in certain ways I might have. But I don’t think so. Still, a couple of the board’s more reasonable conservative posters ( **Mr. Moto** being one, IIRC) have chimed in to say they disagreed with me, though they did so in the civil way more typical of conservatives, and I responded civilly to them in return. Additionally, as I understand it there’s been a fair amount of condemnation for Mr. Paterno on some of the more conservative message boards as well. So I don’t view the issue solely as one of politics. If anything, the thread’s posters made it about politics first by immediately accusing me of supporting Paterno because of his conservatism when in fact I had no idea of his politics. To be both frank and honest though, I do believe the majority of the anti-Paterno crowd are liberal, as they exhibit many of the hallmarks of liberalism, such as a knee-jerk overreaction to perceived or factual wrongs, an aversion to the concept of individual responsibility and its corresponding desire to blame everyone in sight for the actions of the individual, etc., etc., etc. And **Huerta** , I’ve devoted tons of time debunking your lies in this thread, though tellingly nothing much has come of it with this crowd. Still, you are lying yet again when you claim I haven’t. And don’t for a minute think you’re fooling anyone. Everyone can see what a lying nutjob you are, they’re just letting you get away with it for now (as they have also your sexist, homophobic and pro-Nazi comments elsewhere in the thread) because you’re on their side for now. In my opinion this speaks even worse for them than you, but there you have it. But remember, you aren’t fooling anyone with your ridiculous lies, idiotic extrapolations and pretzel logic. You are the biggest nutball in a thread filled with the likes of **miss elizabeth** , **Kolga** , **Guinastasia** and **Hector the Librarian**. I’m sure your mom would be proud. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3107 "2012-02-16T03:15:22Z")
P.S. - I’m thinking the thread is going to go at least 5,000 posts and 200,000 views and at the end no one still will have posted a shred of factual evidence that Joe Paterno deliberately sought to cover up the shower incident, that he knew Sandusky was allegedly raping children, that he knowingly enabled it, or that anal rape was what Mike McQueary saw in the shower that night. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3108 "2012-02-16T03:19:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > pro-Nazi comments elsewhere in the thread Show me one of them. I challenged you to before but you, being a pussy, pussied out. No, really. > [@](#): > > I’m sure your mom would be proud. 😃 If she learned that I was not defending a pedophile, claiming he couldn’t have been a pedophile because of some retarded “physics”-based loving description of anal rape of a child, she would be (and is) to quote your description of how we were supposed to react to your (invented) “fact” that a child hadn’t been anally raped, only almost-raped, by an old man, “overjoyed.” You’re scum and will never be anything different. There’s some real real white trash walking around this country claiming to be part of the real 'Merican conservative movement. But they’re not. They’re just plain white trash. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3109 "2012-02-16T03:33:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > To be both frank and honest though, I do believe the majority of the anti-Paterno crowd are liberal, as they exhibit many of the hallmarks of liberalism, such as a knee-jerk overreaction to perceived or factual wrongs, an aversion to the concept of individual responsibility and its corresponding desire to blame everyone in sight for the actions of the individual, etc., etc., etc. Not very convincing. Certainly, many of the most vocal critics of Paterno and of Novak’s _apologia_ have been among other conservatives. A few examples: [Rod Dreher in _The American Conservative_:](http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/2012/01/30/joepa-as-holy-victim/) > [@](#): > > So kids got raped by a sexual predator, and it got overlooked by Paterno and others in power because it was more important to preserve the myth of JoePa and Penn State football than it was to take hard stands to protect children from a predator. [Daniel Foster in _National Review_:](http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/289681/re-injustice-done-joe-paterno-daniel-foster) > [@](#): > > But the fact is none of it worked, that misplaced organizational loyalty conspired with what was at best moral timidity and at worst shameful cowardice to let an evil pederast off the hook. > > So there is also something indecorous about the self-righteousness of Novak’s piece on “the injustice” done to Paterno. He’s surely correct that the Penn State board of trustees compounded their cowardice and incompetence in their rush to scapegoat Paterno, when they themselves hold equal or greater culpability for what happened. But just as the near riots at Penn State over the coach’s sacking were, to put it mildly, obscene, there is something unseemly about expending so much rage on the perceived slander of one man’s good name, instead of on the decade of evil that anteceded it. [Michael Reagan at Townhall.com:](http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelreagan/2011/11/15/dont_be_a_paterno_when_a_child_is_abused,_heres_what_to_do/page/full/) > [@](#): > > Penn State football coach Joe Paterno released a statement on Wednesday in which he said, “With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.” How lame is that, Coach? > > Would you have accepted that excuse from one of your players? “With the benefit of hindsight, Coach, I wish I had run the route we rehearsed a thousand times in practice.” See how stupid that sounds? It doesn’t take “hindsight” to know that when some monster is raping children in your locker room, you call the police. [Michael Brown at Townhall.com:](http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2011/11/10/dead_flies_and_the_legacy_of_joe_paterno/page/2) > [@](#): > > “As dead flies cause even a bottle of perfume to stink, so a little foolishness spoils great wisdom and honor” (New Living Translation). […] > > And then one scandal. One tragically serious oversight. One failure to go beyond formal procedure (of reporting the incident to his authorities, which he properly did) and take further action (by going to the police, or at least, by assuring that something was being done, since the same accused man continued to serve as a trusted member of his senior staff for years). In Paterno’s own words, “This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.” > > A tragedy indeed. As Maisel wrote, “The idea that Paterno’s legacy, built with the highest of ideals, will be stained by the vilest of scandals should test the faith of all of us.” > > In the future, it is possible that Paterno will be remembered more for his decades of service to Penn State than for the current scandal, and that “distance and perspective will eventually create a more nuanced legacy.” > > But there can be no doubt that his extraordinary legacy has been tarnished, as headlines are now reading, “Scandal sullies Joe Paterno’s legacy” and “Paterno’s legacy a sad, sorry finish.” Dead flies indeed, and a sobering lesson for us all. [Paul Greenberg at Townhall.com:](http://townhall.com/columnists/paulgreenberg/2012/01/25/the_curtail_falls_on_the_tragedy_of_joe_paterno/page/full/) > [@](#): > > No, nobody accused Coach Paterno of molesting children. Only that he should have known about it, made it his business to know about it, and to take action. At least call the police. > > Instead, this great coach and moral mentor, who used to give talks about the importance of ethics in sports and beyond, just passed on what he’d heard up the chain of command. And nothing more. > > “We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done; And there is no health in us.” --Book of Common Prayer. > > Sad, even tragic. > > The root of the tragedy was where it always is – in Sophocles, in Shakespeare, in life and now in death. There is a name for it: hubris. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3110 "2012-02-16T03:50:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > To be both frank and honest though, I do believe the majority of the anti-Paterno crowd are liberal, as they exhibit many of the hallmarks of liberalism, such as a knee-jerk overreaction to perceived or factual wrongs, **an aversion to the concept of individual responsibility** and its corresponding desire to blame everyone in sight for the actions of the individual, etc., etc., etc. (bolding mine) You have got to be freakin’ kidding! The core issue of this thread is what Paterno’s individual responsibility was. You have argued that he fulfilled his legal responsibility by informing senior officials at Penn State of the allegations brought to him by McQueary. Opposing you are the people who say that he failed in his greater individual responsibility to follow up and to inform outside law enforcement. You, and nearly only you, are excusing Paterno from any individual responsibility that Sandusky was not caught sooner. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3111 "2012-02-16T04:04:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … (as they have also your sexist, homophobic and pro-Nazi comments elsewhere in the thread) … I’ve certainly seen criticism of **Huerta88** ’s sexist and homophobic comments in the thread. I’ve yet to see a pro-Nazi comment by him in this thread; I’d expect that if he had issued one, it would also have been criticized. So you’re already (the second time around) worn out of accusing us all of being Nancy Grace, and have come back around to **Huerta88** ’s reputation. I’ll simply reiterate what I posted above somewhere: “Certainly **Huerta88** is not universally admired on the SDMB. Yet, somehow, in this thread, he has kicked the shit out of you.” I’ll look forward to the next time we’re told so many posters really support you. You know, the posters who aren’t in this thread supporting you. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3112 "2012-02-16T04:52:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Certainly, many of the most vocal critics of Paterno and of Novak’s apologia have been among other conservatives. A few examples… Thank you, Kimstu. A good reminder that morality can cross party lines. Restored my faith in human beings. We _can_ hold each other to a higher standard. A higher standard than either Sandusky or Paterno required of themselves. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3113 "2012-02-16T04:56:34Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > (bolding mine) > > You have got to be freakin’ kidding! The core issue of this thread is what Paterno’s individual responsibility was. You have argued that he fulfilled his legal responsibility by informing senior officials at Penn State of the allegations brought to him by McQueary. Opposing you are the people who say that he failed in his greater individual responsibility to follow up and to inform outside law enforcement. > > You, and nearly only you, are excusing Paterno from any individual responsibility that Sandusky was not caught sooner. ```auto Home Visitors * *** ** * * * * * * * * ****** Period 4 ``` ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3114 "2012-02-16T05:13:54Z")
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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3115 "2012-02-16T05:17:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > P.S. - I’m thinking the thread is going to go at least 5,000 posts and 200,000 views and at the end no one still will have posted a shred of factual evidence that Joe Paterno deliberately sought to cover up the shower incident, that he knew Sandusky was allegedly raping children, that he knowingly enabled it, or that anal rape was what Mike McQueary saw in the shower that night. If it’s perfectly OK for you to come up with absurd, laughable speculations based on your apparent experimentation with the tube from a roll of paper towels, why is it not OK for others to speculate based on testimony described in a grand jury report? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3116 "2012-02-16T05:21:26Z")
Hell, people at _Free fucking Republic_ were condemning Paterno’s actions. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3117 "2012-02-16T06:02:29Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Don’t get so defensive, anyone but an obvious idiot would know I was talking about an alternative speculative hypothetical set of facts, which are certainly true. Don’t believe it? Everyone here knows it’s true, all you have to do is take a paper towel tube, and . . . . Now you’re just lying. Next week I may post a point-by-point rebuttal of this post. But only if I don’t have guests for my famous Choke-the-Chicken. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3118 "2012-02-16T10:48:45Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > “Certainly **Huerta88** is not universally admired on the SDMB. Yet, somehow, in this thread, he has kicked the shit out of you.” I disagree. **Starving Artist** continues to demonstrate that he is still full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3119 "2012-02-16T15:23:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > P.S. - I’m thinking the thread is going to go at least 5,000 posts and 200,000 views and at the end no one still will have posted a shred of factual evidence that Joe Paterno deliberately sought to cover up the shower incident, that he knew Sandusky was allegedly raping children, that he knowingly enabled it, or that anal rape was what Mike McQueary saw in the shower that night. You can move the goalposts all you want, but we can still see where the original markings were. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3120 "2012-02-16T16:20:51Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > You can move the goalposts all you want, but we can still see where the original markings were. Yep. Keep the thread going. I don’t want my ‘The Fifties - Worst. Decade. Ever’ thread to be derailed when I open it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3121 "2012-02-16T18:24:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > no one still will have posted a shred of factual evidence [snip] that anal rape was what Mike McQueary saw in the shower that night. Retardate: 1. McQueary testified to seeing “some form of intercourse.” The only intercourse that can really be had from behind a three foot tall boy is anal intercourse. You’ve been told this 100 times. McQueary’s sworn and unambiguous testimony is “evidence.” Your retardate invented facts are not. 2. As you have also been told 1000 times, Paterno’s moral crime was not “failure to report anal rape.” Anal rape (which undoubtedly occurred in that shower, given that Sandusky is a lifelong anal rapist of boys) is not what is criminalized or proscribed in Pennsylvania or in any non-scumbag realm of Earth (I know that you, a perverted scumbag, may have trouble understanding this). “Sexual assault” and “sexual contact with a minor” are what are criminalized and what give rise to a moral obligation to extirpate them. There is not **one whit** of legal or moral distinction between the obligations raised by knowing of “anal rape of a child” (which McQueary repeatedly committed, including in that shower) and “sexual contact with a child.” Not a scintilla of difference, you fucking retardate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=157)