# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 157
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3122 "2012-02-16T21:25:50Z")
Huerta88, it’s impressive how you’ve hit homerun after homerun in this thread, even though Starving Artist is a completely hopeless pitcher. It’s a shame that Paterno won’t have to testify at Sandusky’s trial. I wonder if they’ll just read his Grand Jury testimony in full instead? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3123 "2012-02-16T21:55:42Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > There is not **one whit** of legal or moral distinction between the obligations raised by knowing of “anal rape of a child” (which McQueary repeatedly committed, including in that shower) and “sexual contact with a child.” I think you mean Sandusky, not McQueary! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3124 "2012-02-16T21:56:58Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I disagree. **Starving Artist** continues to demonstrate that he is still full of shit. Apparently he can have almost infinite amounts of shit knocked out of him, and still keep generating more. If we could harness this we would solve any fertilizer shortages for the next thousand years. ---
**Author:** ![Stelios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Stelios](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stelios)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3125 "2012-02-16T22:18:42Z")
Christ, this thread is boring. Given the pathetic and tortured lengths he’s gone to, I can only conclude that Starving Artist is a kid fucker, and is defending Paterno out of a sense of loyalty to the kid fucker brotherhood. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3126 "2012-02-16T22:24:39Z")
> [@Stelios](#): > > Christ, this thread is boring. Given the pathetic and tortured lengths he’s gone to, I can only conclude that Starving Artist is a kid fucker, and is defending Paterno out of a sense of loyalty to the kid fucker brotherhood. In the interest of accuracy, no one has accused Paterno of molesting boys himself, merely of not doing enough when he was told that someone else was molesting them. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3127 "2012-02-16T22:34:45Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > I think you mean Sandusky, not McQueary! Err, yeah, thanks for that catch. ---
**Author:** ![Stelios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Stelios](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stelios)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3128 "2012-02-16T22:35:12Z")
> [@Robot Arm](#): > > In the interest of accuracy, no one has accused Paterno of molesting boys himself, merely of not doing enough when he was told that someone else was molesting them. Yeah, I know. But Starving Artist has convinced me that Paterno was not only a gleefully unrepentant pederast, but that he was a founding member of the [Super Adventure Club](http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Adventure_Club) and the first man to sodomise a child on the moon. And that’s why Starving Artist is defending him. Because kiddy-diddlers gotta stick together. Hey, if logic and reason won’t do it, why not just make fun of him? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3129 "2012-02-16T22:43:57Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > In the interest of accuracy, no one has accused Paterno of molesting boys himself, merely of not doing enough when he was told that someone else was molesting them. Correct, but one of the underlying rationales is that Paterno’s in the clear because Sandusky (a kid fucker) really didn’t do anything wrong, reports of “intercourse” with children should not be taken seriously and/or should be explained away by the “physical impossibility of raping a ten year old if you are tall” or by inventing any fact that will weigh against clear testimony of “intercourse,” or by arguing that absent anal intercourse, neither the perp. nor the reportee need really be very concerned or condemned. And that **is** giving comfort and aid to the brotherhood of boy fuckers. If you look at enough cases of serial molestation, molesters absolutely **love** elaborate rationalizations by which it can be “shown” that what they’re doing, they’re not really doing, is fabricated because kids have overactive imaginations, is part of an evil plot to discredit them, is an act of innocent affection, is actually initiated by the victim (scumbag priest Paul Shanley once, IIRC, or rather more than once published or said something to the effect that, you know, in most so-called abuse cases, the child is actually the aggressor). The whole purpose of NAMBLA (for which this scumbag should be writing copy) is to promulgate lies about non-existent things such as “man boy love” as excuses for their foul desire to gain illicit sexual gratification by victimizing children. For my money, when **SA** praises to the skies everything Paterno ever did, including with Sandusky, he is (even apart from his separate disgusting did-I-just-see-that? defense of Sandusky, which took a good while to emerge but is now in full flower) enabling and encouraging molesters to think that there are theories available to them or which will be effective for them on which some forms of molestation aren’t really likely or worth pursuing with vigor. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3130 "2012-02-16T23:06:58Z")
> [@Stelios](#): > > …Hey, if logic and reason won’t do it, why not just make fun of him? The Starving Artistocrats! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3131 "2012-02-16T23:19:16Z")
But according to **Starving Artist** , one shouldn’t believe kids when they say they’re being molested, because most likely the kids are lying to get someone in trouble. Because it’ll wreck someone’s life! ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3132 "2012-02-16T23:32:21Z")
> **[Legendary Indiana hoops coach resigns after disturbing indecent exposure charge](https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/legendary-indiana-hoops-coach-resigns-disturbing-indecent-exposure-225747480.html)** > > A legendary high school basketball coach in Indiana has resigned in disgrace after he was found half naked with a 17-year-old student in his car near a public park. Continue reading → But . . . but . . . wait – I don’t understand – they did not prove he anally raped her, they are just hysterically rushing to lynch mob judgment!! Or, in the real world, adults who expose themselves to unrelated children in a sexualized context are routinely, just about uniformly, and quite rightly subjected to condemnation and prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3133 "2012-02-17T00:06:16Z")
What if he was just giving her parallel parking lessons. We don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3134 "2012-02-17T00:10:33Z")
As I’ve said before, I regard it as a sign my arguments are winning each time someone lies about something I’ve said because it proves they don’t have a substantive rebuttal and are therefore reduced to lying in order to manufacture a point they can win. Unfortunately, as I’ve discovered in trying to contend with **Huerta’s** walls of lies, refuting each lie is time consuming and largely a waste of time because none of my opponents are interested in the truth anyway and are perfectly happy to regard **Huerta’s** Walls 'O Shit as “kicking my ass.” Therefore I’ve decided that rather than waste time trying in good faith to rebut the lies my opponents are posting about what I’ve said/think/suppose, I’m simply going to post the word “Winning” after each lie. This way I won’t have to waste tons of time and verbiage trying set straight truths that no one is interested in anyway while still letting lurkers and intellectually honest posters know that what they’re reading is dishonest bullshit. Okay? So, here we go… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3135 "2012-02-17T00:11:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > But according to **Starving Artist** , one shouldn’t believe kids when they say they’re being molested, because most likely the kids are lying to get someone in trouble. Winning! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3136 "2012-02-17T00:12:36Z")
Worked for Charlie Sheen … why not? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3137 "2012-02-17T00:17:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Therefore I’ve decided that rather than waste time trying in good faith to rebut the lies my opponents are posting about what I’ve said/think/suppose, I’m simply going to post the word “Winning” after each lie. This way I won’t have to waste tons of time and verbiage trying set straight truths that no one is interested in anyway while still letting lurkers and intellectually honest posters know that what they’re reading is dishonest bullshit. > > Okay? So, here we go… You’re not going to make the slightest attempt to explain, specifically, what the lie is or why, in your view, it’s a lie? You’re just going to post the word “winning”? Sure, yes, absolutely, do that. That’ll turn opinion right around, you bet. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3138 "2012-02-17T00:29:01Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Correct, but one of the underlying rationales is that Paterno’s in the clear because Sandusky (a kid fucker) really didn’t do anything wrong Winning! > [@Huerta88](#): > > …reports of “intercourse” with children should not be taken seriously and/or should be explained away by the “physical impossibility of raping a ten year old if you are tall” or by inventing any fact that will weigh against clear testimony of “intercourse,” or by arguing that absent anal intercourse, neither the perp. nor the reportee need really be very concerned or condemned. Winning! > [@Huerta88](#): > > And that **is** giving comfort and aid to the brotherhood of boy fuckers. Winning! > [@Huerta88](#): > > The whole purpose of NAMBLA (for which this scumbag should be writing copy) Winning! > [@Huerta88](#): > > For my money, when **SA** praises to the skies everything Paterno ever did, including with Sandusky Winning! > [@Huerta88](#): > > he is (even apart from his separate disgusting did-I-just-see-that? defense of Sandusky, which took a good while to emerge but is now in full flower) enabling and encouraging molesters to think that there are theories available to them or which will be effective for them on which some forms of molestation aren’t really likely or worth pursuing with vigor. Winning! So as we can see, virtually every word out of **Huerta’s** lying mind and keyboard is a lie. Naturally I welcome **Guin** , **Huerta** or any other poster to challenge me on any comment that receives a “Winning!” by posting whatever it was I posted that backs up what they said. I predict crickets or other lies in support of the original lies myself. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3139 "2012-02-17T00:31:35Z")
What a truly pathetic display of being chronically unable to allow someone else the last word. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3140 "2012-02-17T00:32:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …Naturally I welcome **Guin** , **Huerta** or any other poster to challenge me on any comment that receives a “Winning!” by posting whatever it was I posted that backs up what they said. … The police called. Your English Composition teacher is out on the ledge, threatening to jump. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3141 "2012-02-17T00:39:44Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > You’re not going to make the slightest attempt to explain, specifically, what the lie is or why, in your view, it’s a lie? You’re just going to post the word “winning”? > > Sure, yes, absolutely, do that. That’ll turn opinion right around, you bet. Why should I have to spend all my time on the defensive, explaining over and over that I didn’t say what the lying liars who lie are saying about what I’ve written? Let them back up their words. It should be easy enough if they’re telling the truth. Besides, virtually no one posting in this thread has the slightest interest in truth anyway, as the humongous amount of time I’ve already devoted to debunking lies has been roundly ignored while even more lies are cheered. So, let the assholes back up their lies, I say. Again, what they’ve said should be easy enough to back up if they’re telling the truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=156) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=158)