# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3582 "2012-04-17T13:07:39Z")
Kee-rist. Paterno’s dead, can’t we let this thread die with him? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3583 "2012-04-17T19:30:38Z")
[Moderating] **NoLittlePlan** , reposting full articles to this board is a violation of both copyright laws, and the rules of this forum. If you want to discuss a particular news item, please restrict yourself to posting a short excerpt with a link to the full article. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3584 "2012-04-17T20:41:43Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Kee-rist. Paterno’s dead, can’t we let this thread die with him? I guess we should leave Hitler alone too, right? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3585 "2012-04-18T02:06:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > **NoLittlePlan** , reposting full articles to this board is a violation of both copyright laws, and the rules of this forum. If you want to discuss a particular news item, please restrict yourself to posting a short excerpt with a link to the full article. > > No warning issued. > [/Moderating] ©? You know what other laws have been violated in this thread? Most of the laws that a decent society are built on. Including, but not restricted to: The Laws of Physics (Shower Room Edition), The Law Prohibiting Catering to Trolls, The Law of Conservation of Conservatives, Newton’s Laws of eMotion, The Law of Accelerating Returns and Towel Tubes… …as well as _Godwin’s Law, Poe’s Law, Gaudere’s Law, Wheaton’s Law, Megan’s Law, Burke’s Law, Harry’s Law,_ and, most demonstrably, _Murphy’s Law_. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3586 "2012-04-18T03:03:20Z")
You forgot the law of the jungle. And the laws of thermodynamics. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3587 "2012-04-18T06:07:37Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > You forgot the law of the jungle. > > And the laws of thermodynamics. The Laws that Protect One’s Sanity ---
**Author:** ![NoLittlePlans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NoLittlePlans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoLittlePlans)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3588 "2012-05-08T22:31:31Z")
[Prosecutors change timeline in Jerry Sandusky case, saying McQueary incident happened in 2001, not 2002](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/05/part_of_jerry_sandusky_case_mi.html) Tuesday, May 08, 2012 By SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News The Patriot-News Mike McQueary’s story is changing again. In court paperwork filed Monday, prosecutors say the alleged sexual incident the former assistant Penn State football coach claims to have seen between Jerry Sandusky and a young boy in a locker room shower didn’t actually happen the Friday before spring break in 2002. Instead, they wrote, new evidence shows it happened on Feb. 9, 2001, about 13 months earlier. And lawyers for two… [Prosecutors ‘inadvertently’ release identity of Jerry Sandusky accusers](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/05/prosecutors_inadvertantly.html) Tuesday, May 08, 2012, 5:12 PM By SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News The Patriot-News Judge John Cleland has just granted a request to seal a document posted to the Centre County court website that contained names of the alleged victims and other witnesses involved in the child sex abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. The state Attorney General’s Office had filed the document Monday as an attachment to a filing about discovery evidence that has been turned over to Sandusky’s legal team. The attachment is about 30 pages. Prosecutors filed a request to have it sealed today after realizing it “inadvertently contains a number of names of individuals associated with the investigation of this matter.” The information no longer appears on the Centre County court website. Cleland had previously ordered that no one publicly disclose the names of Sandusky’s accusers. The filing goes into great detail about… ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3589 "2012-05-08T22:46:52Z")
> [@digs](#): > > ©? > > You know what other laws have been violated in this thread? Most of the laws that a decent society are built on. > > Including, but not restricted to: The Laws of Physics (Shower Room Edition), The Law Prohibiting Catering to Trolls, The Law of Conservation of Conservatives, Newton’s Laws of eMotion, The Law of Accelerating Returns and Towel Tubes… > > …as well as _Godwin’s Law, Poe’s Law, Gaudere’s Law, Wheaton’s Law, Megan’s Law, Burke’s Law, Harry’s Law,_ and, most demonstrably, _Murphy’s Law_. You forgot Cole’s Law. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3590 "2012-05-08T22:55:22Z")
**NoLittlePlans** : What in the name of Satan’s left nut does any of that have to do with Joe Paterno (who I believe is still the subject of the Pitting)? And why revive a dead horse just to see it beaten again? GET OVER IT. I’ll quote myself from earlier in the thread: [QUOTE=Me] As for the scandal, none of that changes this basic fact: Paterno, REGARDLESS OF THE FAILINGS OF ANYBODY ELSE AT PENN STATE, had an ethical and moral responsibility to do MORE than the legal minimum. [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3591 "2012-05-08T22:57:27Z")
The only way anything Penn State-related could be zombified more than this thread is if _28 Months Later_ is set in a barricaded enclave that was once Beaver Stadium. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3592 "2012-05-08T23:28:45Z")
I sure do love The Dope. I do. I gleefully participate in the detached irony and snarky sarcasm left right and center. Just like we all do. Somewhere in the zombiesphere are a handful of young men who were once younger kids. And they got fucked by an old man. Now they’re out there walking around somewhat damaged. In our gleeful detached irony, and without meaning to totally pee in everyone’s rice over the twists and turns of this thread, we might do well to remember what seems to have happened here… ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3593 "2012-05-09T17:44:47Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > What in the name of Satan’s left nut does any of that have to do with Joe Paterno (who I believe is still the subject of the Pitting)? It as everything to do with Paterno, because the crux of the issue regarding Paterno has to do with what he was told or not told by McQueary. So McQueary’s credibility and the reliability of his memory in this regard are critical. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3594 "2012-05-09T18:07:17Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > It as everything to do with Paterno, because the crux of the issue regarding Paterno has to do with what he was told or not told by McQueary. So McQueary’s credibility and the reliability of his memory in this regard are critical. Oh, bullshit. So, years after the fact, they (and apparently a lot of theys, including Paterno, since this discrepancy hasn’t come to light until now) realize they get the year of the event wrong. So what? Do you think McQueary went to Paterno’s house a year and a day later, rather than a day later? This changes nothing at all about who said what to who, who did or didn’t do what they did or didn’t do. They apparently ALL agreed on the (incorrect) dates involved - McQueary’s credibility is not an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3595 "2012-05-09T18:25:22Z")
Paterno (& the others) presumably didn’t remember the date and so didn’t challenge it. I couldn’t tell you the year of many things that happened ~10 years ago. But those people were not nearly as focused on the incident as McQueary. And more significantly, McQueary testified that he was sure that this was the correct date. [BTW, one other intriguing aspect concerns Amendola’s alleged victim. From what I’ve read, the first guy to suggest that it was really 2001 was Amendola, based on his claim that he had identified the “victim”, who said it was in 2001 and that nothing sexual happened. At that time, the prosecution was still claiming it was 2002. Now that Amendola was right about the date, it strengthens - to some extent - the possibility that his “victim” is actually the kid in the story.] ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3596 "2012-05-09T20:58:01Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > It as everything to do with Paterno, because the crux of the issue regarding Paterno has to do with what he was told or not told by McQueary. So McQueary’s credibility and the reliability of his memory in this regard are critical. I read somewhere recently that the prosecution has 9 documents or files from Paterno’s office that are not available to the public. It should be interesting to find out what is contained in those, it could shed some light on what Paterno knew. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3597 "2012-05-10T17:34:22Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > [BTW, one other intriguing aspect concerns Amendola’s alleged victim. From what I’ve read, the first guy to suggest that it was really 2001 was Amendola, based on his claim that he had identified the “victim”, who said it was in 2001 and that nothing sexual happened. I looked around a bit and am no longer sure my memory was correct on this score. I believe Amendola did quibble early on with the prosecution over the date - with him correctly insisting that they were wrong and that it was in 2001 - but I can’t find any source for the idea that this insistence was based on the alleged victim (although it was consistent with that "victim"s story). So strike that part. On another note, it seems that Amendola’s strategy is becoming clear, FWIW. Focus on disputing a couple of the earlier claims, and then wash away the rest by claiming that they are copycat claims of people out for money. To the latter end, he is - or was - trying to subpoena email records from the victims in order to prove that they colluded with each other. And also looking for evidence that these victims are not straight arrow boy scouts (which is what you would expect anyway, because they would otherwise not have been involved with TSM to begin with). A very uphill climb, but it’s something. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3598 "2012-05-19T01:42:00Z")
Perused this behemoth for fun. Highlights follow: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > They climbef all over me and we wrestled and manhandled each other mercilously, and while hands landed on legs or butts from time to time during this horeseplay, not a glimmer of sexual interest ever occurred. Immediately brought to mind [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FyuhaJMIAaI#t=64s). > [@The Man in Black](#): > > So, you are trying to say that because we punish rapists, you arn;t allowed to buy a soda for a kid? I am having trouble understanding if there is a point. Being angry on a message board or giving someone a dirty look is worse than raping children. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Fortunately we do have rules of evidence and sufficient police power these days to keep your ilk at bay. Had we not, people like you would be a greater threat to societal safety and justice than would be a thousand Jerry Sanduskys. > [@Una Persson](#): > > Point 1, this isn’t a video game. No one is hitting refresh with one hand with their fingers on their clit with the other. Something tells me you never did make it to Lucifer’s chamber… > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Then I apologize, I may have been getting you mixed up with someone else. Which poster was insisting that it was always wrong for a man to be naked in front of a boy? > [@elucidator](#): > > SA has reduced himself to a case that is virtually solid, it is rational, but it is not reasonable. If he is basing his claim on something that is disproportionately likely to be incorrect, then it may be logical, but irrational. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’m of the impression that previous crimes or suspicion of crimes is inadmissible as evidence in the courtroom and that each charge must stand or fall on the facts pertaining to that particular case. So, is character testimony inadmissible in the court of public opinion? > [@Enderw24](#): > > So what the fuck are you arguing here? Sandusky may be a child rapist, but it’s more likely he merely caught the lad after he slipped on soap while playing keepy-uppy wrestling (module 3 in the shower curriculum) in this one specific instance. It’s entirely plausible. Look at that exclusive or. Due process, objective facts, Nancy Grace and refutations of your bloodthirsty mob rule witchunt logic. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > support for my attempts to look objectively at the facts garners considerably more support than criticism from those not already going ballistic in this thread? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > You guys have succeeded in running off most of the board’s more prolific posters over the years Pro-tip: don’t alternate between poisoning the well and appeals to popularity. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > This one points straight to McQueary. Indeed. He’s called “McQueary”, either he made the boy up to discredit Sandusky or he was jilted by Sandusky. You know what, I’ve got no clue why Starving Artist didn’t pursue this line of reasoning from the start (other than trying to acclimatise us to the crazy by way of the strawmen, red herrings, tu quoques, two wrongs, ad hominems…). The entire case relies on the testimony of McQueary. In an alternate universe hypothetical (in SA’s parlance, objective facts), he could have become aware of Sandusky’s prior investigations and decided to blackmail him in order to be fast-tracked to a retirement spot. Paterno would have to comply. Hell, if anything, [Paterno himself being unaware](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html) of the fact that his employee (at the time) was involved in a criminal investigation involving young children would make him ignorant. For him to know and yet not deduce that there was something fishy in Sandusky having regular contact with young boys verges on criminal negligence. Especially when he determined that it was worthy enough to pass on to his superiors and not some feverish imaginings. Doubly negligent was not inquiring, casually as to the status of the investigation. For whoever said that Paterno needed to use a paper tube to determine the possibility of rape, he already knew (being a Catholic) that rape is impossible without bleeding to death and ear splitting screams. It’s right there in Deuteronomy. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > holding an empty sack > [@enderw24](#): > > Alternative explanation #4,235,731 on what McQueary saw Sandusky doing in the showers that night. Alternatively, Starving Artist’s motivation for joining the thread. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Serial rapist What hysterical nattering nabobity! It’s becoming easier and easier for me to see how witch hunts, mob justice and lynchings have occurred in this country’s past. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Who are believe he thought rape almost always involved…woman on woman forced sex? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I plead too much wine, too quickly drunk. It’s hard to believe - the nature of the thread being what it is - that people haven’t been all over that. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Perhaps if you’d gone to school with us hillbillies back in the fifties when you had to actually learn stuff to be passed from one grade the next you’d know these things. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Nazi. Hey, what happened to due process and objective facts? We didn’t even “all rise”… By the way, care to provide any instances of usage of the word “fondling” in a non-sexual manner referring to naked participants? > [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s a mountain. Mere liberal delusions and lies. When viewed through a paper towel tube, it is plainly a molehill. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > an aversion to the concept of individual responsibility > [@Da Mikster](#): > > Without an indictment, the Athletic Department could do little more than take his keys and tell him not to bring kids on campus. > [@jtgain](#): > > I’m going to give him every benefit of the doubt > [@jtgain](#): > > Like I said, I’m sitting here with my fingers in my ears screaming loud enough so that I CAN’T HEAR YOU. > [@jtgain](#): > > So I didn’t read the actual document before posting. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > What’s immoral was for the university to fire a guy to whom they owed so much and for so long over some passing outrage. > [@brickbacon](#): > > Everytime you punish ignorance as though they were tantamount to the crimes of the accused, you marginalize the processes by which we build communities and social structures. We rely on our reputations, and the trust we have in others. > [@brickbacon](#): > > That fact is certainly lamentable, but it’s not cause to lynch this guy for being susceptible to what are pretty common human frailties. > [@brickbacon](#): > > In short, the failure here is less about individuals, and more about institutional failings and human frailty. Fundamental attribution error. Dispositional explanations for the successes of the ingroup and failures of the outgroup, situational ones for the failure of the ingroup and successes of the outgroup. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Your Honor, the witness is being unresponsive. Let’s not mix metaphors: the victim is not being responsive. The witness is refusing to respond. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > The fact is you don’t have a shred of evidence to back up a word of that. “his”: corroborated by [wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Paterno). > [@Starving Artist](#): > > One ding-a-ling even went so far as to proclaim that touching a child on the leg was just as bad as raping them. Cite? > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > And even more significant, those guys are victims themselves, who get cut some slack. How generous of you. In fact, I’m surprised you were so exculpatory. Why didn’t you and Starving go after the victims? After all, they could have provided corroboration to the story, absolved Paterno of any moral requirement to report to the police and perhaps even preserved the reputation of Penn State. Selfish bastards. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Judge John M. Cleland managed to regain order within a few minutes and the proceedings continued. PATERRRNOOOOO! > [@Huerta88](#): > > He killed himself after his association with a disgusting and indefensible position and grouping Sounds like you’re saying the attempts to assassinate Hitler were disgusting and indefensible. Doesn’t help that “88” is crypto-fascist code 😉 > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Have you ever seen intercourse you couldn’t describe? What it’s called when someone blumpkins and vomits simultaneously. Which you’ve been doing metaphorically to this thread. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You’re just ignoring what he said in response. Not really, you’re parsing his posts in the most positive light you can manage. There’s simply no way to arrive at the position that he was probably a serial rapist without having that impact how one views the likelihood that there was misconduct going on in the showers and there is no “due process/objective fact” gathering going on, as was clearly demonstrated by his ignorance of testimony. As for quibbles about squatting: why is there any reason to believe that the showers had a level surface or that Sandusky didn’t wrap his arm around the boy in order to force him to tiptoe? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I am defending a man whom **I’ve known for decades** to be of outstanding moral character and integrity who has been assailed mercilessly on this board for things he has not remotely been proven to have done. :o > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’ve been growing increasingly disgusted with the nature of argument on this board lately. Bah, there went my pet theory that you were actually Sandusky. C’thulu, come! ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3599 "2012-06-12T00:28:27Z")
It’s the first day of the trial. We might as well breath some life into the dead (thread). If any of the testimony is to be believed, this is much more sordid than imagined. [http://gawker.com/5917568/jerry-sandusky-made-victim-sign-contract-to-keep-seeing-him-and-other-gross-trial-revelations](http://gawker.com/5917568/jerry-sandusky-made-victim-sign-contract-to-keep-seeing-him-and-other-gross-trial-revelations) Actually, I’m surprised that Sandusky is still alive. He must be one of the more pathological creeps in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3600 "2012-06-12T01:22:43Z")
And the hits just keep on coming: From [here](http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/11/12169577-nbc-former-penn-state-president-could-face-charges-in-sandusky-case?lite): > [@](#): > > In addition, prosecutors said, the recently discovered emails “contradict” the testimony of Schultz, former athletic director Tim Curley “and others” before a grand jury about what they knew about an allegation of possible sexual misconduct by Sandusky. Anybody here honestly think the “and others” **doesn’t** include Paterno? It’s really kind of a shame that a man who did so much good had this one (unforgiveable) moral lapse that is going to (rightfully) utterly ruin his reputation forever. ETA the link and: If Sandusky was half a man, he would have put a fucking bullet into his mouth by now. He’s a coward. Pure and simple. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/3601 "2012-06-12T01:36:36Z")
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