# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 216
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4303 "2012-09-24T16:41:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Otherwise, you’ve got the sandbox to yourselves. It would be a lot more fun if you left the shovel you used to bury yourself with. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4304 "2012-09-24T16:43:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Everything everyone is bringing up has been argued here time after time already and I’m not going to spend months arguing it again. The obsession here is not mine. To the degree that I’m obsessed at all, it’s with not allowing a hysterical, mob mentality prevail. Yes you will. You really can’t help yourself; you absolutely love the attention you get here and you can hardly live without it. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4305 "2012-09-24T16:47:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > In point of fact Paterno did not know what Sandusky was doing, as evinced by his own statement as quoted by **Hamlet** above Your ability to rewrite reality to fit your own perceptions is astounding. Rare is the person who can read a statement where Paterno says he was informed that there was something sexual going on between a man and a child, and pretend it means that Paterno DIDN’T KNOW that there was something sexual going on between a man and a child. I mean, really. I’ve argued for the involuntary commitment of people who thought they were becoming Jesus, that blamed 3M for stealing their idea for post it notes, and who thought that nurses were actually demons, but DAMN, SA, you are giving them a run for their money. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4306 "2012-09-24T16:57:49Z")
I only just discovered the resurrection of this thread, and here you go, leaving again!?!?!?!?!? Damn! I have only begun to point and laugh, point and laugh. Ahh, **SA** , you truly are a pathetic, skeevy, blindly stubborn, irredeemably ridiculous and wretched moron living fantasies in a Bizarro World of your own creation. There is though one way to prove me wrong, and it isn’t by repeating your pitiable ‘arguments’. Just show this thread to your friends and relatives, have a few people read through it. If then you still have any friends, or anyone who will publicly admit to being your relative, they can post here telling us so. I am sure that I and most if not all of your other detractors will immediately apologize to you. Or have that person forcibly committed to an inpatient care facility, one. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4307 "2012-09-24T17:02:28Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > And what about the fact that Curley changed his mind about reporting the incident after discussing with Paterno? > > If Paterno felt it should have been reported, it’s pretty unlikely his conversation would cause Curley to change his plans and do the opposite, right? As noted earlier, I think from the context of Curley’s email it’s more likely that Paterno was uncomfortable with bypassing Sandusky, and felt the matter should be brought up with him directly, as opposed to reporting it behind his back. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4308 "2012-09-24T17:05:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > 95% of this thread deserves to be handwaved away. Now now, let’s not be too hasty here. You’ve posted 446 of the 4,300 responses so only 10.4% of this thread needs to be handwaved away. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4309 "2012-09-24T17:27:26Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > I only just discovered the resurrection of this thread, and here you go, leaving again!?!?!?!?!? > > Damn! I have only begun to point and laugh, point and laugh. Ahh, **SA** , you truly are a pathetic, skeevy, blindly stubborn, irredeemably ridiculous and wretched moron living fantasies in a Bizarro World of your own creation. > > There is though one way to prove me wrong, and it isn’t by repeating your pitiable ‘arguments’. Just show this thread to your friends and relatives, have a few people read through it. If then you still have any friends, or anyone who will publicly admit to being your relative, they can post here telling us so. I am sure that I and most if not all of your other detractors will immediately apologize to you. Or have that person forcibly committed to an inpatient care facility, one. You can take it to the bank that Skeevy Artist will be back to post more good stuff here. His Goodnight John Boy routine never ends. He is perpetually just about to step out, and never spares us details of his agenda. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4310 "2012-09-24T18:15:29Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You can take it to the bank that Skeevy Artist will be back to post more good stuff here. His Goodnight John Boy routine never ends. He is perpetually just about to step out, and never spares us details of his agenda. Ah yes, his patented “I’ve been out drinking and I’m posting from my iPhone and that’s why the only cite I’ve bothered to give in my last 300 posts actually proves the opposite of my contentions and I have to step out now for a while” defense. Marvelous. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4311 "2012-09-24T18:15:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The obsession here is not mine. To the degree that I’m obsessed at all, it’s with not allowing a hysterical, mob mentality prevail. Actually, what you seem to be obsessed with is the following unsupported opinion: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Yes, I do think anal rape is impossible based upon McQueary’s description of what he saw. _Nothing about that cherished opinion of yours has been vindicated in any way by the jury’s verdict_, despite your delusional insistence to the contrary. The court found nothing that cast any doubt whatsoever on the **possibility** , or even the **likelihood** , of Sandusky’s committing anal rape in that situation. All they found was that the situation wasn’t **proven** to be anal rape. The reason that you are now dubiously immortalized on these boards as “Mr. Paper Towel Tube Pedophilic Rape Test” is because you irrationally clung to the absurd assertion that the incident **couldn’t** have been anal rape. Just as you are now irrationally clinging to the absurd assertion that the jury agreed with you about it. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I believe, and will always believe unless convincing evidence proves otherwise, that Joe Paterno had no idea what Jerry Sandusky was really doing with those kids […] > > If you get some new evidence that Paterno knew Sandusky was anally raping kids, or subjecting them to oral sex, or committing any other serious forms of sexual abuse and sought to cover it up, or that Paterno was raping kids himself (as has been so idiotically asserted in this thread as well), let me know and we’ll talk. This, I think, is at the heart of your willful delusion about the evidence. You want to believe that Paterno was innocent of any knowledge of “serious” sexual abuse, so you arbitrarily re-define “serious forms of sexual abuse” to include only a few specific acts that nobody’s proved Paterno was aware of. Moreover, to bolster your belief further, you likewise insist that any act Paterno **was** aware of _couldn’t possibly have been_ one of the limited set of acts you’re willing to describe as “serious sexual abuse”. Neither of these arguments is rational or honest, and certainly neither of them has been vindicated by the outcome of the trial. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_In_Black)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4312 "2012-09-24T21:45:49Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Your ability to rewrite reality to fit your own perceptions is astounding. Rare is the person who can read a statement where Paterno says he was informed that there was something sexual going on between a man and a child, and pretend it means that Paterno DIDN’T KNOW that there was something sexual going on between a man and a child. > > I mean, really. I’ve argued for the involuntary commitment of people who thought they were becoming Jesus, that blamed 3M for stealing their idea for post it notes, and who thought that nurses were actually demons, but DAMN, SA, you are giving them a run for their money. Brings the point. If the board admins felt a member was a danger to himself or others (SA), would they have any way of alerting the authorities? Would the authorities act on anything a person posts on a message board, and track him down if need be? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4313 "2012-09-24T21:52:48Z")
> [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](#): > > Brings the point. If the board admins felt a member was a danger to himself or others (SA), would they have any way of alerting the authorities? Would the authorities act on anything a person posts on a message board, and track him down if need be? Excellent point. On a related note, Soviet Communists had a habit of incarcerating dissidents in mental institutions, and “treating them” with drugs. Makes a lot of sense when you think about it. These people were obviously deluded to the point of being a danger to themselves or others, and the authorities needed to act on it. Fortunately it was pretty easy for them to track them down … ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4314 "2012-09-24T21:56:25Z")
> [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](#): > > Brings the point. If the board admins felt a member was a danger to himself or others (SA), would they have any way of alerting the authorities? Would the authorities act on anything a person posts on a message board, and track him down if need be? Certainly the police have tracked down and arrested people who posted death threats, but IMO, no matter that SA is delusional and a shitheel, he hasn’t said anything that deserves calling the police over. SA, that’s the finest compliment you’re probably ever going to get from me. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4315 "2012-09-24T22:23:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > In other words, your [**Starving Artist** ’s] speculation is worth more [than Louis Freeh’s], despite not having done any actual research, seen any documents, etc. Whatever. Have you read the Freeh report? Nowhere in there does the man even _try_ the paper towel tube test! Clearly, the investigation was inadequate at best. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4316 "2012-09-24T22:33:44Z")
For the record I have had sex with a very short adult female. I had no problem penetrating any of her orifices. Even while standing. And there was a lot of experimenting. Science marches on! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4317 "2012-09-24T23:10:38Z")
What a bunch of friggin’ loons! So now we’ve jumped from Joe Paterno being a pedophile kiddie raper who was fine with Sandusky screwing kids in the butt because he was doing the same himself, to now me, because of my defense of him and my refusal to equate shower room hugs with anal rape, being a potential danger to others worthy of action by the authorities. I’ve said before in this thread and I’ll say it again: People like you are a greater threat to society than Jerry Sandusky or any sort of criminal. It is precisely to thwart people such as yourselves that our legal system requires due process and rules of evidence in order to assure that people don’t get railroaded by lunatic hotheads who are unable to think straight and who reflexively villainize anyone who disagrees with them. _You_ are the real reason I’ve fought like I have in this thread! ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4318 "2012-09-24T23:18:30Z")
Projection! Lovin’ it. Popcorn, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4319 "2012-09-24T23:24:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What a bunch of friggin’ loons! So now we’ve jumped from Joe Paterno being a pedophile kiddie raper who was fine with Sandusky screwing kids in the butt because he was doing the same himself, I don’t recall anyone accusing Paterno of being a pedophile. (Someone can correct me if I’m wrong) As for any accusations against you – you brought it on yourself. Again, your obsession with the exact, explicit details is disturbing, to say the least. (Even Paterno said there WAS something going on that was sexual, not just hugging) ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4320 "2012-09-24T23:27:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What a bunch of friggin’ loons! How precisely, is insisting that when Joe Paterno testified he was informed that there was sexual conduct between Sandusky and a young boy, that meant he was informed that there was sexual conduct between Sandusky and a young boy, loony? From what you’ve posted here, I think we can agree that you are aware of loony-ness on a unprecedented level, so your expert opinion should carry some weight. But I’m still having trouble getting around your insistence that Paterno didn’t know there was sexual conduct when he testified he was informed there was sexual conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4321 "2012-09-24T23:57:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve said before in this thread and I’ll say it again: People like you are a greater threat to society than Jerry Sandusky or any sort of criminal. Keep saying it loony. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4322 "2012-09-25T00:32:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve said before in this thread and I’ll say it again: People like you are a greater threat to society than Jerry Sandusky or any sort of criminal. Hi **Starving Artist** , welcome back after your most recent widely-publicized departure from this thread. Do you really not see how calling somebody who merely had the temerity to disagree with you on a messageboard “a greater threat to society” than _a convicted serial child molester_ makes you look seriously irrational and intemperately detached from reality? You keep throwing out ridiculously over-the-top exaggerated statements and then later trying to pretend that they’re equivalent to more reasonable moderate statements. And then when people point out your contradictions and inconsistencies, you throw a tantrum and claim that you’re just being hounded by a hysterical mob. Of course I wouldn’t venture any guess about your real-life sanity level based on your behavior in this thread as an anonymous messageboard poster, but you sure don’t **sound** very rational in this context. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=215) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=217)