# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 217
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4323 "2012-09-25T00:48:46Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > As noted earlier, I think from the context of Curley’s email it’s more likely that Paterno was uncomfortable with bypassing Sandusky, and felt the matter should be brought up with him directly, as opposed to reporting it behind his back. I agree. And in my opinion his years of power and influence probably altered his thinking somewhat (natural for most humans) to think he had the authority and wisdom to deal with the situation when in reality it was best left to the people with experience. You might argue that the previous incident was dealt with by the people with experience and nothing came of it, but I would counter that the process isn’t perfect and if the police were aware of the same thing a second time, the probability of action increases especially given the red flags raised by one set of psychiatrists previously. One of the funny things about your post is that **SA** will probably agree with it…while at the same time he states that Paterno reported to his superiors and didn’t want to be involved because it wasn’t his job…and he will separately deny and agree with both statements simultaneously. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4324 "2012-09-25T02:37:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > _Nothing about that cherished opinion of yours has been vindicated in any way by the jury’s verdict_, despite your delusional insistence to the contrary. > > The court found nothing that cast any doubt whatsoever on the **possibility** , or even the **likelihood** , of Sandusky’s committing anal rape in that situation. All they found was that the situation wasn’t **proven** to be anal rape. > > The reason that you are now dubiously immortalized on these boards as “Mr. Paper Towel Tube Pedophilic Rape Test” is because you irrationally clung to the absurd assertion that the incident **couldn’t** have been anal rape. Just as you are now irrationally clinging to the absurd assertion that the jury agreed with you about it. QFT. And indeed SA will forever be known as the SDMB laughing stock aka Mr. Paper Towel Tube Pedo. P.S. And for those of you who don’t see ads, you’re missing out! [“Pedophile State University- Get your tshirt for $19.95 + s&h”.](http://www.mean2u.com/Penn-State-University-Pedophile-State-University-2012-001.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4325 "2012-09-25T04:14:52Z")
* * * > [@Kimstu](#): > > Do you really not see how calling somebody who merely had the temerity to disagree with you on a messageboard “a greater threat to society” than _a convicted serial child molester_ makes you look seriously irrational and intemperately detached from reality? I would if that had been what I said. > [@Enola Gay](#): > > And indeed SA will forever be known as the SDMB laughing stock aka Mr. Paper Towel Tube Pedo. The Paper Towel Tube was a perfectly cromulent way of illustrating the fact that the scene described by McQueary almost certainly precluded rape as being what he had happened upon, a finding confirmed by the Sandusky jury who knew a great deal more at the time of its deliberations both about what McQueary said and Sandusky’s other crimes than did anyone in this thread. And it was a perfectly cromulent way of illustrating my assertion that the thread’s posters should rejoice in the fact that that young boy had almost certainly not been subjected to anal rape that night, an assertion that oddly enough brought no comfort nor surcease to the legion of posters allegedly seeking to identify with the horrors the young boy had endured. No, if anything they seemed even more outraged over the idea that rape had not taken place than they were that it had. A bizarre reaction to say the least! But I digress. The Paper Towel Tube served its purpose exceedingly well. It served it so well that for days the threads dingbats were at a loss to debunk it, whereupon they finally gave up and began to settle merely for making fun of it, which is an obvious sign to me that they’d given up entirely on the idea of a 60-year-old, 6’4" man carrying off butt sex two feet off the ground but would be damned if they’d give me the satisfaction of admitting it. So contrary to your obvious belief, each mockage of the Paper Towel Tube is an admission of defeat and amuses rather than annoys me. My objection is when people are allowed to reference it out of context in other forums while I’m not allowed to respond. It appears **Marley** and I have worked out a solution to that, so no prob. Mention it all you want. As I’ve said before, I’m proud to take a stand for truth, justice and the American way, and all three have been ably served by my friend The Paper Towel Tube. Justice did out, the forces of unthinking hysteria and mindless rage were thwarted, and the bad guy got what was coming to him by virtue of what could be proven in a court of law. I am proud. The Pedo thing, on the other hand, is a perfectly cromulent example also, but of the over the top dishonesty and utterly chicken shit nature of many of my opponents in this thread. You can believe every word I say when I say I couldn’t care or think less of the opinion or character of anyone who would say or believe any such thing, or find it amusing. And now I must bid you losers good night… Duh duh dut dut duh…I’m lovin’ it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4326 "2012-09-25T04:37:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m lovin’ it! 🙂 And that’s one reason that we’re creeped out. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4327 "2012-09-25T05:08:16Z")
Well you refuse to listen to any argument by any of the 150+ posters who have posted in this thread, not a single one of which agrees with you, SA. So is there a poster on this message board that you’d at least listen long enough to consider an alternate viewpoint? My guess is no but I had to ask anyway. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4328 "2012-09-25T05:09:03Z")
[Quote=Starving Artist] You can believe every word I say when I say I couldn’t care or think less of the opinion or character of anyone who would say or believe any such thing, or find it amusing [/Quote] And yet you expend tens of thousands of words stating precisely the same thoroughly debunked points, over and over and over again, directed at no one but these people you profess not to care about. But of course, you are mentally disturbed and really can’t help yourself. Just like you were going to abandon the thread but couldn’t stay away more than a few hours. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4329 "2012-09-25T05:27:56Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > For the record I have had sex with a very short adult female. I had no problem penetrating any of her orifices. Even while standing. And there was a lot of experimenting. Science marches on! There were obviously material differences! Keep-away-with-the-soap! Fuck a paper towel tube!!! Two slapping sounds does not constitute a rhythm!!! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4330 "2012-09-25T08:24:22Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Two slapping sounds does not constitute a rhythm!!! Sandusky was a middle-aged white guy. Everyone knows they have no rhythm. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4331 "2012-09-25T09:25:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > \*\*\*\*I would if that had been what I said. It _was_ what you said. This is the root of your problem here, **Starving Artist** : the only way you can keep any semblance of an argument going is by stoutly denying facts, even when it means contradicting your own earlier statements. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > The Paper Towel Tube was a perfectly cromulent way of illustrating the fact that the scene described by McQueary almost certainly precluded rape as being what he had happened upon, a finding confirmed by the Sandusky jury This is more denial of fact on your part. The jury did **not** find that what McQueary described “almost certainly precluded [penetrative] rape”, or in fact precluded penetrative rape to **any** extent at all. All they found was that McQueary’s evidence wasn’t sufficient to **prove** the occurrence of penetrative rape—and, as I keep pointing out and you keep failing to acknowledge, nobody in this thread ever asserted the contrary. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > which is an obvious sign to me that they’d given up entirely on the idea of a 60-year-old, 6’4" man carrying off butt sex two feet off the ground Again, this is simply contrary to reality. Everybody here still completely repudiates your bizarrely illogical convoluted reasoning that Sandusky was somehow physically incapable of committing rape in that situation. (And I notice that you’ve sneakily added a few years to Sandusky’s age and at least an inch to his height to try to bolster up your flawed reasoning.) If you want to go back to discussing the physical geometry of the situation, we’ll explain to you once again why your claims are ridiculous. But imagining that everybody must be secretly agreeing with you is merely delusional. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > So contrary to your obvious belief, each mockage of the Paper Towel Tube is an admission of defeat In other words, the only way you can persuade even _yourself_ that your assertions are valid is by pretending that all rebuttal or ridicule of them means exactly the opposite of what it actually says. Like I said, this isn’t argument you’re doing here, this is simply stubborn and irrational contradiction. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > The Pedo thing, on the other hand, is a perfectly cromulent example also, but of the over the top dishonesty and utterly chicken shit nature of many of my opponents in this thread. You can believe every word I say when I say I couldn’t care or think less of the opinion or character of anyone who would say or believe any such thing, or find it amusing. To be fair, though, calling you a pedophile seems to be about the only way to recall you to any semblance of rational realism in this thread. Pretty much any other extravagantly speculative or irrational claim seems to receive your enthusiastic endorsement. Whereas any reasonable criticism or refutation inspires you to declare that you will interpret it as meaning the opposite of what it says. So naturally, it’s a bit of a relief when somebody launches at you the unverified vile insult of being a pedophile and you respond along the lines of “That’s an unverified vile insult!” At least that makes it clear that you’re still capable of rational thought in some circumstances. Believe me, **Starving Artist** , you sound a LOT saner when you’re angry about being called a pedophile than you do in the rest of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4332 "2012-09-25T11:22:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The Paper Towel Tube served its purpose exceedingly well. It served it so well that for days the threads dingbats were at a loss to debunk it, whereupon they finally gave up and began to settle merely for making fun of it Does this include the bit where I debunked it from, you know, my own experience? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4333 "2012-09-25T11:32:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Mention it all you want. As I’ve said before, I’m proud to take a stand for truth, justice and the American way, and all three have been ably served by my friend The Paper Towel Tube. Sig line of the year. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4334 "2012-09-25T11:42:03Z")
[**SA** Halloween idea.](http://www.pinreach.com/pin/221872719112992484) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4335 "2012-09-25T12:01:00Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > There were obviously material differences! > > Keep-away-with-the-soap! > > Fuck a paper towel tube!!! > > Two slapping sounds does not constitute a rhythm!!! I am willing to go back in and continue experimenting. The sacrifices I make for you people… ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4336 "2012-09-25T12:50:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve said before in this thread and I’ll say it again: People like you are a greater threat to society than Jerry Sandusky or any sort of criminal. It is precisely to thwart people such as yourselves that our legal system requires due process and rules of evidence in order to assure that people don’t get railroaded by lunatic hotheads who are unable to think straight and who reflexively villainize anyone who disagrees with them. Leaving aside the specific details of the “physics” defense in general and the Paper Towel test specifically (neither of which I think much of), I agree with this statement. While on an individual level a guy like Sandusky is obviously worse than posters in this thread (at least based on what we definitively know of them) on an aggregate basis it’s a lot different. The facts-be-damned-it’s-obvious-the-guy’s-guilty-let’s-lynch-him-and-the-horse-he-rode-in-on mentality displayed by most (though not all) posters in this thread is and has been responsible for far more injustice and suffering in the world than all the pedophiles combined. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4337 "2012-09-25T12:53:53Z")
Keep shower hugging that chicken Starving Artist. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4338 "2012-09-25T13:09:54Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Leaving aside the specific details of the “physics” defense in general and the Paper Towel test specifically (neither of which I think much of), I agree with this statement. > > While on an individual level a guy like Sandusky is obviously worse than posters in this thread (at least based on what we definitively know of them) on an aggregate basis it’s a lot different. The facts-be-damned-it’s-obvious-the-guy’s-guilty-let’s-lynch-him-and-the-horse-he-rode-in-on mentality displayed by most (though not all) posters in this thread is and has been responsible for far more injustice and suffering in the world than all the pedophiles combined. Wait… are we talking about another Jerry Sandusky, one other than the guy convicted on 45 of 48 charges relating to pedophilia? No wonder we’re all confused here… You’re right - the rush to judgement that lead to us discussing charges against an innocent man (one who oddly has the same name as a convicted pedophile) is troubling and I do apologize for taking part in this. Consider me corrected and ashamed. Mr. Sandusky, we apologize. We honestly thought we were talking about [this guy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky), but we were apparently discussing [this guy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Sandusky), who is completely innocent of all charges. God, I’m so embarrassed. :o ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4339 "2012-09-25T13:10:24Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Leaving aside the specific details of the “physics” defense in general and the Paper Towel test specifically (neither of which I think much of), I agree with this statement. > > While on an individual level a guy like Sandusky is obviously worse than posters in this thread (at least based on what we definitively know of them) on an aggregate basis it’s a lot different. The facts-be-damned-it’s-obvious-the-guy’s-guilty-let’s-lynch-him-and-the-horse-he-rode-in-on mentality displayed by most (though not all) posters in this thread is and has been responsible for far more injustice and suffering in the world than all the pedophiles combined. And that, **Kimstu** , is what I said and who I was talking about when I said it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4340 "2012-09-25T13:15:18Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Keep shower hugging that chicken Starving Artist. Keep **Lobohaning** that keyboard, dipstick. Just think, one day you’ll grow up to be a big boy or girl and then you can start trying to invent gags of your own. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4341 "2012-09-25T13:19:59Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Keep shower hugging that chicken Starving Artist. I might have said, “Keep playing keep-away-with-the-soap with that chicken”, but whatever. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Keep **Lobohaning** that keyboard, dipstick “Dipstick”? “Dillweed”? It’s like he stopped watching TV around the time _Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In_ went off the air. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4342 "2012-09-25T13:35:35Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Like I said, this isn’t argument you’re doing here, this is simply stubborn and irrational contradiction. If you want me to go on arguing, you’ll have to pay for another five minutes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=216) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=218)