# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 226
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4503 "2012-09-29T23:14:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So I’m a sick fucking jackass for being _right_ and she’s a hero for jumping to every wrongful conclusion her fevered imagination could come up with? > > I’d _really_ like to see your explanation for that line of thinking. Because it’s no use argueing with you. You’ve stuck your head so far up your ass you’re licking your appendix. No one’s going to convince you. We just wish you’d shut the fuck up, because we’re tired of hearing about naked old child rapists and paper towel tubes. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4504 "2012-09-29T23:31:58Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > Having only read the last couple of pages here, it seems everyone’s piling on against the only guy that actually had it right this entire time. Interesting dynamic and I’m not sure what explains it. Maybe people are just too proud to admit it when they’ve rushed into the wrong judgments. I don’t understand how anyone having even a passing acquaintance with the facts of the case could possibly believe the poster in question “had it right”. Sandusky was was originally charged with 52 counts of various sexual crimes against minors, involving 10 victims. Three counts were dismissed and one withdrawn by the prosecutor prior to reaching the jury. Of the remander, five counts pertained to Victim #2, the person witnessed with Sandusky by McQueary in the Penn State locker room. The disposition of these five counts was as follows (from CNN): * * * VICTIM #2 Count 7 - not guilty Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1) Count 8 - guilty Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 2) Count 9 - guilty Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 1) Count 10 - guilty Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1) Count 11 - guilty ## Endangering Welfare of Children (Misdemeanor 1) **Starving Artist** seeems to be arguing that some great injustice was done to Sandusky, and by extension to Joe Paterno, by some of the posters on this board assuming that Sandusky was guilty of Count 7 prior to trial. This position is absurd on its face; Sandusky a) was subsequently found guilty of the same charge (involuntary deviate sexual intercourse) on no less than eight counts involving at least four of the other victims; b) was found guilty of all the other counts regarding Victim #2, despite Victim # 2 not having been available to testify. I for one am not going to worry overmuch over whether someone on an Internet Message board fails to accurately predict guilt of a crime that a jury found the accused had committed multiple times, with multiple victims, at the same trial. That **S A** has made such a mountain of an obvious molehill is bizarre in the extreme. **Starving Artist** also seems to be pretending that since Count 7 was overturned, this somehow validates his ludicrous, and thoroughly debunked contention that sexual intercourse between Sandusky and the victim was “physically impossible”, based on their positions as witnessed by McQueary. So far as anyone knows the jury did not base its verdict on any such assumption, in fact the subject never seems to have come up in deliberations. The verdict apparenlty was based solely on McQueary’s inability to positively identify the (unquestionably illegal) sexual contact as actual intercourse. Lastly, as far as anyone knows, the sole reason any of this matters to **S A** at all is that he somehow feels that by continuing to support this decidedly odd hairsplitting defense of a single not guilty verdict out of 5, he has successfully argued that Paterno had no reason to take McQueary seriously. This again is absurd; it seems to assume that the persons to whom this incident was reported would somehow see far enough into the future to know not just what precise criminal charges would result from informing the authorities, but just how a jury would treat them. Thus, on this particular point, **Starving Artist** always has been full of shit, remains full of shit, and always will be full of shit. The same, frankly, goes for anyone who argues in favor of his ridiculous premise without having bothered to examine the facts of the case. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4505 "2012-09-30T01:33:21Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > Having only read the last couple of pages here,… Really? Seems to me you’ve done more than your share to keep this thread alive. Your [first post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14887271#post14887271) was back on page 70, reviving the thread after it had been dormant for a week. You’re [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14937818#post14937818) on page 71, again waking the thread up after a week of no activity. [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14973172#post14973172) and [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15045113#post15045113) post are on page 72, after 10 and 20 days of inactivity. You certainly don’t seem to be a newcomer to this thread. Page numbers are based on 50 posts per page. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4506 "2012-09-30T01:45:03Z")
Has anyone ever seen \*\*NoLittlePlans \*\*and **SA** in the same room? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4507 "2012-09-30T01:50:29Z")
If you look at NLP’s posting history, he’s participated in nothing BUT Paterno/Sandusky threads. Since March. Great catch, **Robot Arm**. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4508 "2012-09-30T02:07:19Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > Has anyone ever seen \*\*NoLittlePlans \*\*and **SA** in the same room? I’m sure **Marley** would be happy to investigate. Perhaps you should contact him and ask that he do just that. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4509 "2012-09-30T02:17:19Z")
Covered your tracks, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4510 "2012-09-30T02:18:34Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > When your name pops up in threads, everyone immediately thinks, “Oh god, it’s the paper towel tube fucking guy.” Truth be told, I associate Starving Artist with his comically naive view of an idealistic 1950s that never existed, let alone was destroyed by modern liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4511 "2012-09-30T02:23:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Truth be told, I associate Starving Artist with his comically naive view of an idealistic 1950s that never existed, let alone was destroyed by modern liberals. Oh, but there’s a few of them. SA has cornered the cardboard tube rape market. Oh, and BTW, when you have a cardboard tube with corners, rape is 4 times more impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4512 "2012-09-30T02:30:24Z")
Yeah, but that’s more of a symptom than a core feature, I figure. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4513 "2012-09-30T03:04:05Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Starving Artist** seeems to be arguing that some great injustice was done to Sandusky, and by extension to Joe Paterno, by some of the posters on this board assuming that Sandusky was guilty of Count 7 prior to trial. This position is absurd on its face; Sandusky a) was subsequently found guilty of the same charge (involuntary deviate sexual intercourse) on no less than eight counts involving at least four of the other victims; b) was found guilty of all the other counts regarding Victim #2, despite Victim # 2 not having been available to testify. Don’t be an idiot. It’s more like a terrible injustice has been done to Joe Paterno, with a denial of due process for Sandusky being the vehicle used carry it out. Any injustice being visited upon Sandusky would be related to his being assumed guilty in this instance of a crime that in this instance he was not committing. Second, Sandusky’s being convicted on counts other than the shower room rape is irrelevant to my argument in this thread. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I for one am not going to worry overmuch over whether someone on an Internet Message board fails to accurately predict guilt of a crime that a jury found the accused had committed multiple times, with multiple victims, at the same trial. That **S A** has made such a mountain of an obvious molehill is bizarre in the extreme. It’s a molehill that was virtually the sole focus of all the outrage being heaped upon Joe Paterno and Penn State in the early weeks and months of this thread, and for the ridiculous accusations which were aimed at both them and me. Certainly no one at the time regarded it as a molehill in the slightest, and it’s only been since I’ve effectively shot holes in the alleged rape scenario that dishonest people like you have begun to back off from it and adopt the “Well, so what if he didn’t rape that kid, he raped plenty of others” stance…a stance which, again, has nothing to do with my argument in this thread. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Starving Artist** also seems to be pretending that since Count 7 was overturned… Again you demonstrate your ignorance. It wasn’t “overturned.” It was a charge that was brought and it ended in an acquittal. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > this validates his ludicrous, and thoroughly debunked contention that sexual intercourse between Sandusky and the victim was “physically impossible”, based on their positions as witnessed by McQueary. Quite the contrary. There has been no debunking of any kind, let alone thoroughly. Do feel free to cite it, though, if you truly believe otherwise. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So far as anyone knows the jury did not base its verdict on any such assumption, in fact the subject never seems to have come up in deliberations. The verdict apparenlty was based solely on McQueary’s inability to positively identify the (unquestionably illegal) sexual contact as actual intercourse. Assuming you’re correct about the jury’s deliberations, and that’s a gracious assumption, it doesn’t matter by what mechanism the jury arrived at its conclusion. The fact of the matter is that McQueary’s testimony was insufficient to support a conviction of rape in the shower room incident. Period. End of story. I recognized it early on when all you bozos were insisting for all you were worth that there was no other explanation and that I was a likely pedophile for even suggesting it. You can whinge that Sandusky wasn’t acquitted because the jury didn’t use a paper towel tube, or because Victim #2 didn’t testify, or because McQueary couldn’t identify what he saw as rape, but none of that matters. What matters is what I saw from the very beginning: a conclusion of rape may not reasonably be drawn from McQueary’s description of what he saw. This is what I said from the very beginning and it created a huge amount of outrage and disbelief, and vile, ridiculous insults aimed at me. And ow that the jury has also found that McQueary’s testimony does not add up to a conclusion of rape, you and a few other cowardly, dishonest posters seek to reframe the issue as to whether he was acquitted because they considered my argument or because of some other reason that I hadn’t expressed. But the issue isn’t whether the paper towel tube got him acquitted on that charge. It was for the edification of the posters in this thread. What matters is that everyone here was sucking up McQueary’s story of what he saw as gospel proof of rape; I said it was no such thing; and the jury came to the same conclusion! Writhe in your loser’s agony and twist things all you want, but that fact is inescapable. You people jumped the gun, assumed facts not actually in evidence, and wound up with egg on your face, happily supplied by me. Suck it up, you have no choice. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Lastly, as far as anyone knows, the sole reason any of this matters to **S A** at all is that he somehow feels that by continuing to support this decidedly odd hairsplitting defense of a single not guilty verdict out of 5, he has successfully argued that Paterno had no reason to take McQueary seriously. Again a blatantly dishonest remark. I’ve never remotely said Paterno had no reason to take McQueary seriously because the Sandusky jury acquitted Sandusky of the rape charge. The accusation is ridiculous on its very face. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Thus, on this particular point, **Starving Artist** always has been full of shit, remains full of shit, and always will be full of shit. The same, frankly, goes for anyone who argues in favor of his ridiculous premise without having bothered to examine the facts of the case. Sorry. Sorry, but you don’t get to posit self-invented ridiculous premises, pretend they’re mine, and then claim anyone who agrees with them is full of shit. As I have just demonstrated, the facts bear out everything I’ve said in this thread. So once again you’re confronted with the same hard reality that everyone else on your side of this issue winds up confronted with. You can’t win! That’s all there is to it! You hitched your wagon to a losing horse and no matter how you flail around trying desperately to find some way to recast the issues to try to at least minimize your defeat, you wind up right back where you started…defeated and holding an empty sack. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4514 "2012-09-30T03:19:34Z")
Blah, blah, blah. Keep barking , little doggie. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4515 "2012-09-30T03:33:58Z")
And another one gone, and another one gone…another one bites the dust! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4516 "2012-09-30T03:38:46Z")
Huh, the brazil84 approach. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4517 "2012-09-30T04:12:45Z")
[Robot Arm, post 4461:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15538566&postcount=4461) > [@](#): > > No. You claimed that the act Sandusky was being accused of was not physically possible. In so doing, you were not just arguing in defense of Paterno’s actions, but Sandusky’s as well. [SA, explicitly in response to the post above, post 4463:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15538578&postcount=4463) > [@](#): > > No, I was arguing that in that particular case the evidence did not support a conclusion of anal rape. How many times do I have to say that? It’s a legal matter. To the extent that it’s a defense of a pedophile, it’s a defense that’s proper because he wasn’t raping that child. [Starving Artist, post 2420:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14723801&postcount=2420) > [@](#): > > …anal sex with the pelvis only two feet or so above the ground calls into play an entirely different set of physics and physiological circumstances. First of all, when one is squatting over a hole in the ground, the arms are kept close to the body (often resting just above the knees) to assist with balance. Further, the body is either bent forward at the waist or held in a relatively upright position with most of the upper body’s weight pressing down through the floor of the pelvis, angled downward and to the rear, with the bulk of the body’s weight resting on fully flexed knees and the back of the thighs and lower legs. In other words, the body’s weight is shifted down and to the rear and is mostly supported skeletally rather than muscularly. > > Now consider the weight, balance and muscle activity involved in a 6’3" man attempting to perform anal sex with his pelvis only slightly more than two feet off the ground with his hands held up and out two feet or so from his body. The weight of a body attempting copulatory movements in such a position is shifted forward at the pelvis and supported largely by the thigh, lower leg and back muscles, which, in addition to holding this large man’s weight largely suspended in mid-air, is simultaneously trying to counter-balance the body weight that gets shifted to the rear with the up-and-forward thrusts, and to perform those up and down, back and forth thrusts at the same time. _ **I submit that it would be virtually impossible for the average person to pull this off for more than a few seconds without his muscles failing and falling backwards or straight down onto the floor.** _ Someone as strong and disciplined as a Cirque du Soleil performer might last a somewhat longer, but gravity, combined with that unbalanced position and muscle fatigue would still likely cause him to fall back or collapse to the floor long before he could complete the act. [SA, post 2435:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14724259&postcount=2435) > [@](#): > > …And they are so wedded to it still that instead of being happy for that child that he wasn’t raped, _ **they’re outraged at me for proving he wasn’t** _… Font changes for emphasis are mine. A await the next SA tap dance. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4518 "2012-09-30T04:17:11Z")
What’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4519 "2012-09-30T04:23:46Z")
I’m not even gonna bother. Back on the ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4520 "2012-09-30T04:37:44Z")
Perhaps I should elucidate. You seem to be arguing that because I said it was impossible seven or eight months ago, I was therefore not arguing that McQueary’s testimony did not support a conclusion of rape. The answer of course is that at one time or another I’ve said both. Makes no difference as they are not mutually exclusive, thus my question as to your point. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4521 "2012-09-30T04:48:28Z")
> [@boyo jim](#): > > i’m not even gonna bother. Back on the ignore list. WINNING! 😉 oh for fuck’s sake ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4522 "2012-09-30T04:59:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Assuming you’re correct about the jury’s deliberations, and that’s a gracious assumption, it doesn’t matter by what mechanism the jury arrived at its conclusion. The fact of the matter is that McQueary’s testimony was insufficient to support a conviction of rape in the shower room incident. Period. End of story. I recognized it early on when all you bozos were insisting for all you were worth that there was no other explanation and that I was a likely pedophile for even suggesting it. You can whinge that Sandusky wasn’t acquitted because the jury didn’t use a paper towel tube, or because Victim #2 didn’t testify, or because McQueary couldn’t identify what he saw as rape, but none of that matters. **What matters is what I saw from the very beginning: a conclusion of rape may not reasonably be drawn from McQueary’s description of what he saw.** This is what I said from the very beginning and it created a huge amount of outrage and disbelief, and vile, ridiculous insults aimed at me. And ow that the jury has also found that McQueary’s testimony does not add up to a conclusion of rape, you and a few other cowardly, dishonest posters seek to reframe the issue as to whether he was acquitted because they considered my argument or because of some other reason that I hadn’t expressed. But the issue isn’t whether the paper towel tube got him acquitted on that charge. It was for the edification of the posters in this thread. **What matters is that everyone here was sucking up McQueary’s story of what he saw as gospel proof of rape** ; I said it was no such thing; and the jury came to the same conclusion! Writhe in your loser’s agony and twist things all you want, but that fact is inescapable. You people jumped the gun, assumed facts not actually in evidence, and wound up with egg on your face, happily supplied by me. Suck it up, you have no choice. (bolding mine) I thought what mattered here is that an allegation of a crime was reported to Paterno by an eyewitness. The allegation was borne out by a felony conviction against Sandusky. And due to Paterno’s failure to follow through in reporting the allegation, Sandusky was allowed to remain free for ten years and claim at least one additional victim during that time. You said much more than “…a conclusion of rape may not reasonably be drawn…” You are trying to re-frame your earlier arguments as being about strictly legal matters; whether McQueary’s testimony was sufficient to secure a conviction. That is not what you said earlier; you said flat out that it could not, and by extension did not happen. **Boyo Jim** , in regards to whether **SA** was defending Sandusky or only Paterno, he already said: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If you want to take the position that I was coincidentally defending Sandusky on a crime he didn’t commit, I would be okay with that. Were I a lawyer I’d do the same. However my main objective was to show that according to McQueary’s testimony a conclusion of anal rape could not logically be drawn. That’s about as close to an admission as we’re likely to get. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=225) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=227)