# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 239
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4763 "2012-10-03T05:45:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Seems pretty clear and straightforward. Sandusky was having sex with the kid. I don’t see how/why SA wants to argue this point, but whatever. What I’ve been arguing is that Sandusky wasn’t anally raping the kid. And I think you know perfectly well why, as you corrected me earlier that an analogy I’d made was a poor fit to the argument I’ve been making. Not really very kosher of you, old thing. I’d been of the impression you were a more honest person than that, but I’ve been wrong about that on this board before. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4764 "2012-10-03T06:22:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What I’ve been arguing is that Sandusky wasn’t anally raping the kid. Why is that important? It was still a serious issue being reported. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4765 "2012-10-03T06:25:30Z")
If you look real hard you might find one of the numerous posts where I’ve explained it. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4766 "2012-10-03T06:27:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If you look real hard you might find one of the numerous posts where I’ve explained it. What about the fact that Sandusky, based on his reported stance, was clearly preparing to rape the child, and in actual fact almost certainly did once McQueary left. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4767 "2012-10-03T10:06:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If you look real hard you might find one of the numerous posts where I’ve explained it. I’m afraid that on Planet Normal ‘explained’ and ‘frantic handwaving away with risible hypotheses that ignore everything from testimony to basic physiology while brandishing a slightly soggy cardboard tube’ have completely different meanings. But by all means - keep on digging. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4768 "2012-10-03T10:43:45Z")
It’s pretty simple, **Starving Artist** does not want a man and a boy, in a shower, with both people naked, and the man behind the boy, and some kind of slapping sound being generated, when a person who sees it says it was of a sexual nature, to be defined as anything other than horseplay. I’m assuming it’s just the kind of thing he thinks is good old fashioned fun, and really can’t see what everyone is so worked up about. It doesn’t matter that the man was convicted of raping dozens of little boys - this particular incident, with the convicted rapist in a shower naked with a little boy, was just no big deal, since the only person who was there didn’t actually witness anal penetration. You guys need to get over it and move on, because even if the kid was raped, he wasn’t screaming or anything, and he probably didn’t mind very much. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4769 "2012-10-03T10:59:45Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > It’s pretty simple, **Starving Artist** does not want a man and a boy, in a shower, with both people naked, and the man behind the boy, and some kind of slapping sound being generated, when a person who sees it says it was of a sexual nature, to be defined as anything other than horseplay. Putting it that way I now feel ashamed of my potty mind. Horseplay indeed. Innocent horseplay. An over-competitive game of Hide The Soap, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![BunnyTVS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BunnyTVS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BunnyTVS)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4770 "2012-10-03T11:16:56Z")
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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4771 "2012-10-03T11:36:15Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > Putting it that way I now feel ashamed of my potty mind. Horseplay indeed. Innocent horseplay. An over-competitive game of Hide The Soap, nothing more. The problem isn’t that they were playing Hide-the-Soap, it’s that Sandusky was searching for it in the boys’ lower GI tracts. Using his penis. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4772 "2012-10-03T11:48:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The problem isn’t that they were playing Hide-the-Soap, it’s that Sandusky was searching for it in the boys’ lower GI tracts. > > Using his penis. I’m sorry but I just don’t want to live in a world where an older man can’t use his penis to search a young boy’s lower GI tract for a bar of soap. If that’s rape, well then, slap me sideways and call me old fashioned but I just don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4773 "2012-10-03T13:06:33Z")
I am disappointed that **NoLittlePlans** seems to have fled the thread. At this point **S A** could really use the help. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4774 "2012-10-03T13:08:12Z")
He’s probably busy reading the 70 or so pages that he didn’t read while he was posting in them. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4775 "2012-10-03T13:25:56Z")
My theory is that he is taking a bike ride around the lake. Or perhaps Christmas shopping. Or fucking a paper towel tube. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4776 "2012-10-03T14:24:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The problem isn’t that they were playing Hide-the-Soap, it’s that Sandusky was searching for it in the boys’ lower GI tracts. > > Using his penis. Typical Liberal-Commie-Nazi. Only if he had the thighs and hamstrings of the Incredible Hulk and no cardboard tube. Or something. Someone help me out here. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4777 "2012-10-03T14:25:44Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > My theory is that he is taking a bike ride around the lake. Or perhaps Christmas shopping. Or fucking a paper towel tube. Or in his bunk. 😉 Damn - I thought a slam-dunk Firefly reference would take us one page closer to the magic 100. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4778 "2012-10-03T14:39:45Z")
No rape. No Paterno evidence. Not “Winning.” _ **WON** _! There’s no way around it, kids. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4779 "2012-10-03T14:47:40Z")
For the billionth time, you have no idea if there was no rape (as if getting the kid in the shower and rubbing his dick on him isn’t rapey enough for you). The court did not “prove” there was no rape. The court only proved that McQueary couldn’t see an actual penis in an actual anus. You have won nothing but the ridicule of the entire board. Congratulations. Wear it well. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4780 "2012-10-03T15:02:37Z")
Can’t we just close this thread and ban SA for violating the “Don’t be a jerk” rule? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4781 "2012-10-03T15:19:25Z")
Closing the thread—which has now died a thousand deaths—sounds like a capital idea. Can’t say I endorse capital punishment for the struggling **Artist** , however. Much more fitting to watch him try, and fail, to live this one down. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4782 "2012-10-03T15:33:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No rape. > > No Paterno evidence. > > Not “Winning.” > > _ **WON** _! > > There’s no way around it, kids. 🙂 “It” doesn’t exist, despite your claim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=238) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=240)