# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 241
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4803 "2012-10-03T16:17:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Who the hell said _that_? šŸ˜‰ > [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > You. About 20 times. Evidently this thread is SAā€™s _Godfather III_, pulling him back in and such. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4804 "2012-10-03T16:21:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Evidently this thread is SAā€™s _Godfather III_, pulling him back in and such. I was thinking more Salzellaā€™s death scene in Pratchettā€™s _Maskerade_. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4805 "2012-10-03T16:23:33Z")
**SA** has actually backed off the claim that it was physically impossible for there to be rape. Now heā€™s just saying it wasnā€™t proven to be rape. Thatā€™s a really, really big change- as much as heā€™ll claim that thereā€™s no change. Perhaps in another 10,000 posts heā€™ll admit that Sandusky very likely did commit rape. Of course, heā€™ll claim that he hasnā€™t changed his view at all. But this thread has given me so much amusement that I wouldnā€™t mind at all if it continues that long. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4806 "2012-10-03T16:30:20Z")
I admit finding amusement in the idea that when Paterno heard McQuearyā€™s report, he likely assumed this was just an incident of harmless naked hugging, like that other incident of harmless naked hugging he heard about two years earlier. Paternoā€™s not too bright in Starving Artistā€™s world, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4807 "2012-10-03T16:30:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Now heā€™s just saying it wasnā€™t proven to be rape. Nope, heā€™s making a stronger (yet more vile) claim that the jury affirmatively concluded there was no rape. The distinction between this and what you just wrote apparently goes way over **SA** ā€™s head. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4808 "2012-10-03T16:31:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > - if youā€™re successful and popular _enough_, some people will still defend you, even to ridiculous lengths. It appears to me that to whatever ridiculous lengths I may be going, fifteen or twenty frothers are dashing along right beside me, nipping furiously and impotently at my heels. Which is most foolish? Hard to say, but at least I have a juryā€™s verdict and a huge void of Paterno cover up evidence on my side. And now, I think Iā€™ve spent enough time with you maroons this morning. I think Iā€™ll whip up a nice hearty breakfast and then head out on the old pedal mobile as it should be warm enough by now. Thanks to all for helping me kill time til then ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4809 "2012-10-03T16:35:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It appears to me that to whatever ridiculous lengths I may be going, fifteen or twenty frothers are dashing along right beside me, nipping furiously and impotently at my heels. > > Which is most foolish? Hard to say, but at least I have a juryā€™s verdict and a huge void of Paterno cover up evidence on my side. > > And now, I think Iā€™ve spent enough time with you maroons this morning. I think Iā€™ll whip up a nice hearty breakfast and then head out on the old pedal mobile, as it should be warm enough by now. Thanks to all for helping me kill time til then. Youā€™re definitely trolling. Nobody could possibly keep making themselves look so stupid on purpose. ā€œIā€™m going to make waffles now!ā€ :rolleyes: You keep saying 15-20 people are against you. Thatā€™s bullshit. Would you like for someone to start a poll on the matter? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4810 "2012-10-03T16:41:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Letā€™s get real here, mmkay? About fifteen or twenty people are telling me Iā€™m wrong, many of whom are longstanding opponents such as yourself to begin with whose ire is politically based. Name a person on this board, who is not a sock of yourself, who substantially agrees with your claims in this thread. One. For the other part, I can state categorically that I am not disputing your claims in this thread due to your politics. Go ahead, accuse me of lying to you. Iā€™m disputing you because I think you are wrong, and because I have a generous spirit. Since nothing seems to make you happier than fighting with people on this board, I am giving you exactly what you most value. You should be thanking me, and everyone else to bothers to engage you. > [@](#): > > But that notwithstanding, the difference is the same as if you twenty people were to swear that if I were to hold an apple in my hand and release it, it would fly up and hit the ceiling. Whereupon I disagreed, released it, and it fell to the floor. That would be an argument I would have won despite having an overwhelming number of others in disagreement. Actually, it is you, metaphorically, who has been claiming that the apple would fly up to the ceiling. > [@](#): > > This is all covered in Childā€™s Play 101. Yes, life would be so much better if reality was simply whatever we claim it is, but sadly that is not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4811 "2012-10-03T16:46:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What Iā€™ve been arguing is that Sandusky wasnā€™t anally raping the kid. Keep fucking that ā€¦ errā€¦ Chicken. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4812 "2012-10-03T16:52:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And now, I think Iā€™ve spent enough time with you maroons this morning. I think Iā€™ll whip up a nice hearty breakfast and then head out on the old pedal mobile as it should be warm enough by now. Thanks to all for helping me kill time til then Itā€™s been twenty minutes. I think he might really be gone this time. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4813 "2012-10-03T16:55:10Z")
Heā€™s left himself (ahem ahem) logged in then. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4814 "2012-10-03T16:58:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It appears to me that to whatever ridiculous lengths I may be going Iā€™ll take this as a tacit admission of ridiculousness. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4815 "2012-10-03T17:05:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No rape. > > No Paterno evidence. > > Not ā€œWinning.ā€ > > _ **WON** _! > > Thereā€™s no way around it, kids. šŸ™‚ You are aware that what Sandusky was convicted of doing to this kid also falls under the reporting laws, right? Itā€™s not like only penetrative rape has to be reported, while frottage is fine and dandy and nobody needs to know. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4816 "2012-10-03T17:12:31Z")
I canā€™t help but feel that someone is having a little fun at yā€™alls expense ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4817 "2012-10-03T17:18:57Z")
Guilty. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4818 "2012-10-03T17:32:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > FWIW, it would be fine with me if the thread were to be closed. My points have all been won and vindication is mine. My work for all intents and purposes is done. If your work is fucking random objects and claiming ā€œwinningā€ after doing so, well, yes, no doubt youā€™re ā€˜done.ā€™ Now try a toaster, would ya? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@The\_Dord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Dord)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4819 "2012-10-03T17:47:23Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Youā€™re definitely trolling. Nobody could possibly keep making themselves look so stupid on purpose. > > ā€œIā€™m going to make waffles now!ā€ :rolleyes: > > You keep saying 15-20 people are against you. Thatā€™s bullshit. Would you like for someone to start a poll on the matter? Iā€™d love to see the results of that kind of poll! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4820 "2012-10-03T18:02:41Z")
I wish I knew how to do it, where to put it, and whether or not it falls inside the rules of the board. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4821 "2012-10-03T18:07:07Z")
Ah, 'twas a glorious breakfast! A hearty breakfast of sausage and eggs, not waffles. JoePa would have approved mightily. šŸ˜ƒ Now for a couple of quick notes before heading out on the bike: Dear **Labrador Deceiver** , try to keep things straight, mmkay? The issue is how many people in the thread either agree or disagree with me and/or are telling me Iā€™m wrong vs. how many are telling me Iā€™m right. My answer was in regard to those assertions, and it was correct. There is no doubt that the number overall amongst the board in general would be higher. However, keep in mind that your poll may backfire. A couple of spinoff threads were attempted during the first stage of the thread in which people were attempting to drum up sentiment in their favor as a result of being unable to defeat me on the facts, and not only did they find the threads they created unwelcome by the mods who felt that one huge thread on the Paterno issue was enough, but amongst the readership in general a much higher percentage of posters retained their senses and found the concept of the paper towel tube to be a legitimate attempt to ferret out whether or not what McQueary happened upon was rape or something else. I absolutely knew at the time I said that that some idiot would come forward with an ā€œOh, yeah? Oh, yeah? Well, how would you like me to start a poll to find out just how many people think youā€™re wrong?ā€ (As if that would finally prove apples fall to the ceiling.) Itā€™s gratifying to see you were the idiot to step forth and take the bullet. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4822 "2012-10-03T18:12:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ah, 'twas a glorious breakfast! A hearty breakfast of sausage and eggs, not waffles. JoePa would have approved mightily. šŸ˜ƒ Well, we can at least assume if thereā€™d been anything wrong, olā€™ JoePa wouldā€™ve politely held his tongue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=240) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=242)