# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 242
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4823 "2012-10-03T18:14:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ah, 'twas a glorious breakfast! A hearty breakfast of sausage and eggs, not waffles. JoePa would have approved mightily. šŸ˜ƒ > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, we can at least assume if thereā€™d been anything wrong, olā€™ JoePa wouldā€™ve politely held his tongue. Okay. I suppose. I was going to go with, ā€œWhy, were you fucking a ten year old boy while eating it?ā€ but then, ā€œcouth,ā€ has never been my middle name. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4824 "2012-10-03T18:16:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Dear **Labrador Deceiver** , try to keep things straight, mmkay? The issue is how many people in the thread either agree or disagree with me and/or are telling me Iā€™m wrong vs. how many are telling me Iā€™m right. My answer was in regard to those assertions, and it was correct. There is no doubt that the number overall amongst the board in general would be higher. If you think this is all about you, fine. Some of us still believe the central issue of this thread is that Joe Paternoā€™s inaction (or deliberate cover-up) allowed a child molester to remain free for ten years and claim at least one more victim. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4825 "2012-10-03T18:18:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > ā€¦ but amongst the readership in general a much higher percentage of posters retained their senses and found the concept of the paper towel tube to be a legitimate attempt to ferret out whether or not what McQueary happened upon was rape or something else. Bullshit. Well, since the current percentage of posters who think this was legit appears to be zero, I guess any amount would be much higher. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4826 "2012-10-03T18:18:27Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > You are aware that what Sandusky was convicted of doing to this kid also falls under the reporting laws, right? Itā€™s not like only penetrative rape has to be reported, while frottage is fine and dandy and nobody needs to know. I certainly have never said that frottage is fine and dandy. Further, if the boardā€™s early lunatics had been lambasting Paterno for covering up for Sanduskyā€™s having committed frottage Iā€™d have had little reason to argue against anything but the lack of evidence for his having done so. But nooooo! They knew, as do you and I perfectly well, that anal rape is a much more traumatic, painful, humiliating and heinous crime than mere frottage, and in their frantic lunatic passion to pin Sanduskyā€™s wrongdioings on Joe Paterno and Penn State and cast them in the worst light possible, they immediately seized upon the rape scenario and used it and the pain and suffering it allegedly induced to make Joe Paternoā€™s fictional crimes seem as horrible as possible. So from my standpoint itā€™s simply a matter of what was the truth rather than what would be the most effective weapon to smear Joe Paterno truthful or not. Again, if people had merely been honest Iā€™d have had far less to contend with, and far less reason to contend with it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4827 "2012-10-03T18:24:24Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, we can at least assume if thereā€™d been anything wrong, olā€™ JoePa wouldā€™ve politely held his tongue. Canā€™t say as we can as thereā€™s no record of his ever having held his tongue before. Voluminous grand jury testimony exists to this very fact. Why you insist on demonstrating your dishonest and duplicitous nature in this way is a mystery to me, but one that Iā€™m quite happy to see exists. And now, itā€™s off to burn some calories. Just remember: No rape. No Joe Paterno evidence. No ā€œWinning!ā€ _ **WON!** _ Thereā€™s just no way around it, kids. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4828 "2012-10-03T18:25:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But nooooo! They knew, as do you and I perfectly well, that anal rape is a much more traumatic, painful, humiliating and heinous crime than mere frottage, and in their frantic lunatic passion to pin Sanduskyā€™s wrongdioings on Joe Paterno and Penn State and cast them in the worst light possible, they immediately seized upon the rape scenario and used it and the pain and suffering it allegedly induced to make Joe Paternoā€™s fictional crimes seem as horrible as possible. You know, if your claim is that exaggeration is some sort of major offense in your book, you maybe shouldnā€™t employ it so much yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4829 "2012-10-03T18:27:24Z")
Poll created. Enjoy! > **[Do you agree with Starving Artist in the Joe Paterno Pit thread?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=667530)** > > Thereā€™s an 11 month old thread currently ongoing in the BBQ Pit titled Itā€™s time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program In it, Starving Artist has spent, at current count, 560 replies discussing the case and the facts... ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4830 "2012-10-03T18:27:59Z")
Well, then weā€™ve established Paterno was guilty, then. SA is just arguing over exactly what he was guilty _of_. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4831 "2012-10-03T18:29:16Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If you think this is all about you, fine. Some of us still believe the central issue of this thread is that Joe Paternoā€™s inaction (or deliberate cover-up) allowed a child molester to remain free for ten years and claim at least one more victim. If there was the merest shred of evidence to back up this ā€œbeliefā€ you might want to do yourself a favor and post it. And now Iā€™m out. Really and truly and absolutely this time. I shall not allow you to derail yet another beautiful day of bikeage and the wind is already beginning to pick up. Chow! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4832 "2012-10-03T18:50:19Z")
Wow, that lake is getting smaller every day, isnā€™t it? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If there was the merest shred of evidence to back up this ā€œbeliefā€ you might want to do yourself a favor and post it. Well, letā€™s seeā€¦ 1. Sandusky was convicted of a felony for the incident with victim #2 in the Penn State locker room. 2. That conviction was based on the eyewitness testimony of McQueary. That testimony would have been available to prosecutors ten years ago, had Paterno chosen to make state law enforcement aware of it. 3. Among Sanduskyā€™s convictions are those pertaining to victim #1 for crimes which took place at least three years after McQuearyā€™s report to Paterno. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4833 "2012-10-03T18:54:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, we can at least assume if thereā€™d been anything wrong, olā€™ JoePa wouldā€™ve politely held his tongue. And if **SA** ā€™s ā€œsausageā€ were buried up to the ā€œeggsā€ in a childā€™s anus, Paterno wouldā€™ve waved hello and gone about his business being a Man of Integrity. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4834 "2012-10-03T18:57:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If there was the merest shred of evidence to back up this ā€œbeliefā€ you might want to do yourself a favor and post it. The fact that JoePa was informed of what was at the very least extremely inappropriate behavior going on involving a child, and chose not to inform law enforcement. Thatā€™s it. He should have told the police (as McQueary should have, and higher up that JoePa did tell should have, etc). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4835 "2012-10-03T18:57:43Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Poll created. > Enjoy! > > [Do you agree with Starving Artist in the Joe Paterno Pit thread? - In My Humble Opinion - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=667530) ā€¦and closed. Nice try, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4836 "2012-10-03T18:59:07Z")
Huh, Idle Thoughts killed that enthusiasm faster than Romney at a rally. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4837 "2012-10-03T19:02:03Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Poll created. > Enjoy! > > [Do you agree with Starving Artist in the Joe Paterno Pit thread? - In My Humble Opinion - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=667530) _ā€œand not only did they find the threads they created unwelcome by the modsā€¦ā€_ AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! And so we mark another one down in the ā€œ **Starving Artist was right!** ā€ column! Hoo, hoo, boyā€¦the hits, they just keep on coming! Iā€™m out of here, bozos! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4838 "2012-10-03T19:04:11Z")
Okay, I changed my mind. You \*should \*be banned because youā€™re a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4839 "2012-10-03T19:08:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Paterno was not his boss, had no regular contact with him, and had not for years. Further, two years prior to this incident Sandusky was reported to the actual police for hugging a kid in the shower. They investigated and found no serious wrongdoing and the matter was dropped. Would you have had Paterno endlessly enquire about it also? I like how you characterise the 1998 incident. The jury you place so much faith in concluded based on [this testimony](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_victim_6.html) that said shower hug constituted [unlawful contact with minors](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_verdict_complet.html). Choice quote: > [@](#): > > He said he went over anyway. Sandusky told him jokes and tickled him, he said,ā€œHe said he was the tickle monster,ā€ Victim 6 testified. He said Sandusky also grabbed him from behind in a bear hug and lifted him up to the shower head to rinse the soap from his hair. Just four years before the incident involving victim one. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4840 "2012-10-03T19:11:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Dear **Labrador Deceiver** , try to keep things straight, mmkay? The issue is how many people in the thread either agree or disagree with me and/or are telling me Iā€™m wrong vs. how many are telling me Iā€™m right. Bullshit. We were talking about how youā€™re now the biggest joke in the history of this place. Then you tried to deflect by claiming only 15-20 people were against you, and used this thread as your cite (without even counting, apparently). Most people gave up on your stupidity long ago, and arenā€™t bothering to waste their time with a moron like you after 96 pages. > [@](#): > > However, keep in mind that your poll may backfire. Iā€™m shaking in my boots. > [@](#): > > I absolutely knew at the time I said that that some idiot would come forward with an ā€œOh, yeah? Oh, yeah? Well, how would you like me to start a poll to find out just how many people think youā€™re wrong?ā€ (As if that would finally prove apples fall to the ceiling.) Itā€™s gratifying to see you were the idiot to step forth and take the bullet. Youā€™re the one who wants to quantify the situation, you total fucking waste of air. Now youā€™re too chickenshit to see. Donā€™t call me an idiot for taking you up on it, especially not after typing the word ā€œmmkayā€ dozens of times in a single thread. That alone should remove all doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4841 "2012-10-03T19:14:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > _ā€œand not only did they find the threads they created unwelcome by the modsā€¦ā€_ > > AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > > And so we mark another one down in the ā€œ **Starving Artist was right!** ā€ column! > > Hoo, hoo, boyā€¦the hits, they just keep on coming! > > Iā€™m out of here, bozos! šŸ˜ƒ Youā€™re going down, bitch. Once again, heā€™s quitting the thread!! ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4842 "2012-10-03T19:45:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > _ā€œand not only did they find the threads they created unwelcome by the modsā€¦ā€_ > > AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > > And so we mark another one down in the ā€œ **Starving Artist was right!** ā€ column! > > Hoo, hoo, boyā€¦the hits, they just keep on coming! > > Iā€™m out of here, bozos! šŸ˜ƒ What Idle said was that Iā€™m free to pit you. I donā€™t want to pit you. It would be like taking candy from a baby. And, with you in this analogy being a baby, Iā€™m afraid youā€™d use it to justify fucking yourself. Which is more than I could handle, frankly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=241) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=243)