# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 244
**Author:** ![3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/47e85d/32.png) [@3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3_20_59_or_bust)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4863 "2012-10-03T21:23:33Z")
I’ll have to say “D”. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4864 "2012-10-03T21:23:37Z")
I vote B. But I’d like to do so anonymously. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4865 "2012-10-03T21:24:05Z")
D. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4866 "2012-10-03T21:29:17Z")
I can’t remember if I participated or not, but I’ve read a lot of it, so I’ll vote **B**. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4867 "2012-10-03T21:30:03Z")
I afraid to vote because I’m cowed by the anti-starving artist gestapo. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4868 "2012-10-03T21:30:25Z")
B there or B[sup]2[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4869 "2012-10-03T21:30:30Z")
What do you do if you agree with a small bit of what SA has said but disagree with most? I voted C for that reason in the original poll but I don’t agree with the vast majority of his positions so maybe I should have voted D. Specifically, I do think that Paterno or whatever his name was has been vilified beyond what he probably did, and some of his actions are frogiveable. The paper tube rubbish not so much… (I would also want to vote that mr. artist is delusional) ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4870 "2012-10-03T21:35:27Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Might help if you describe what SA’s “arguments” are. That whole thread was kinda like that homeless guy yelling on the street corner: I’m sure he’s absolutely convinced he’s right and that’s he’s making a point, but I’ll be damned if I understand it. Kimstu provides a good summation [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15518113&postcount=4246) while sparing you the horror of reading Starving Artist’s fantasies about fucking paper towel tubes and giving naked hugs to prepubescent boys. And put me down as a B. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4871 "2012-10-03T21:36:04Z")
**SA’s** main claim in nutshell: through “The Paper Towel Tube” experiment he “proved” that a 6’3" man – Sanduky in particular – cannot possibly rape a 10 year old boy due to some extraneous 'laws of physics" that would impede said action as described by witness Mike McQueary. Moreover, he feels vindicated ( **“Won!”** as he puts it over and over) by the jury’s decision not to charge Sandusky with rape in that particular incident. Note that the Jury never said anything about the “impossibility” of the act itself, but rather absolved him on this charge due to lack of sufficient evidence. That said, please, I repeat, this is not the thread to rehash the arguments. ETA: **Enola Gay’s** link gives a much more precise account of the positions taken. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4872 "2012-10-03T21:37:14Z")
Some extra words because the site won’t let me post a 1 letter answer. B ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4873 "2012-10-03T21:38:50Z")
Well, Red, now I need some brain bleach…thanks so much. 😛 Put me down with D, if that’s the argument. Now, where was that bleach… ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4874 "2012-10-03T21:42:05Z")
I will refrain from voting, as I have only read a few posts in the thread in question. I just want to note that another thread here on the SDMB introduced me to Carl Tanzler ([Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Tanzler)), who became obessed with a tuberculosis patient under his care, to the point of keeping her dead body in his bed for some years. Wiki informs me that Tanzler inserted a paper tube into the vaginal area of the decomposing corpse to allow for intercourse. And that’s pretty much the last time I hope to hear anything about sex and paper tubes. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4875 "2012-10-03T21:42:42Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > **SA’s** main claim in nutshell: through “The Paper Towel Tube” experiment he “proved” that a 6’3" man – Sanduky in particular – cannot possibly rape a 10 year old boy due to some extraneous 'laws of physics" that would impede said action as described by witness Mike McQueary. Moreover, he feels vindicated ( **“Won!”** as he puts it over and over) by the jury’s decision not to charge Sandusky with rape in that particular incident. Note that the Jury never said anything about the “impossibility” of the act itself, but rather absolved him on this charge due to lack of sufficient evidence. > > That said, please, I repeat, this is not the thread to rehash the arguments. Clarification: the jury found him guilty on several sexual assault charges against victim #2. They found him not guilty on the count of rape to include penetration. Vctim #2 was not identified at the time or by the time of the trial because nobody who knew about the incident tried to find out. Its not that they didn’t “charge” him. He was indicted on the charge. A grand jury found there was enough evidence to have probable cause for the charge. The trial jury decided there was not enough evidence (without the victim to testify) to sustain a guilty verdict. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4876 "2012-10-03T21:43:47Z")
B B B BBBBBBBEEEEE! (it’s that single letter problem, I swear that’s why I did it) ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4877 "2012-10-03T21:48:46Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Clarification: the jury found him guilty on several sexual assault charges against victim #2. They found him not guilty on the count of rape to include penetration. Vctim #2 was not identified at the time or by the time of the trial because nobody who knew about the incident tried to find out. Its not that they didn’t “charge” him. He was indicted on the charge. A grand jury found there was enough evidence to have probable cause for the charge. The trial jury decided there was not enough evidence (without the victim to testify) to sustain a guilty verdict. > > Carry on. Thank you. And sorry, **XT** – you are right, should have warned about the likely need of using brain-bleach after opening this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4878 "2012-10-03T21:50:20Z")
I’m with Dan, BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4879 "2012-10-03T21:52:28Z")
B-The thread is so old and so long, I DON’T KNOW IF I have participated in the thread and I DISAGREE with Starving Artist’s arguments. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4880 "2012-10-03T21:54:17Z")
B. That thread has left me with a feeling of rising nausea every time I even see SA’s username pop up anywhere on the boards. ---
**Author:** ![Bumbershoot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbershoot/32/3428_2.png) [@Bumbershoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbershoot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4881 "2012-10-03T21:57:12Z")
I vote B. ---
**Author:** ![Zuzu\_s\_Petals](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zuzu_s_Petals)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4882 "2012-10-03T22:00:59Z")
D. I’ve lurked in the thread from the start (pity me) and find **SA** ’s ‘arguments’ laughable and **SA** himself loathsome. I wouldn’t have thought it possible to feel any more repelled by him, but his recent ‘winning!’ schtick is doing the trick nicely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=243) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=245)