# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 282
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5623 "2012-10-17T05:15:27Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > Thinking he was doing the right thing, MM was strongly encouraged to embellish his eyewitness testimony to get a pedophile off the streets, IMO. Well **Bryan Ekers** I guess we can count “he could have been playing Hide the Soap” as one of SA’s three reasonable points. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5624 "2012-10-17T05:42:12Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > Sandusky’s Unidentified Shower Victim: Not Unidentified, Initially Denied Shower Abuse > > Since Jerry Sandusky was first charged as a serial child molester last November, the prosecution has claimed that the identity of two of his victims was unknown. That claim was even repeated by prosecutor Joseph McGettigan during last week’s sentencing hearing. But according to Sara Ganim of the Patriot-News of Harrisburg (Pa.), Victim 2’s identity has been known since before just after Sandusky’s arrest. > > Victim 2 has been a key figure in the Sandusky case—the unidentified boy former Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary said he had seen Sandusky touching in a PSU football building shower back in 2001. As a result of McQueary’s testimony, the grand jury presentment accused Sandusky of raping the boy, Joe Paterno was fired, two Penn State administrators (Tim Curley and Gary Schultz) were charged with perjury and failure to report abuse, and former FBI director Louis Freeh’s private investigation accused several top Penn State officials (including Paterno) of orchestrating a cover up. > > Sandusky’s attorney, Lawyerin’ Joe Amendola, said a few weeks after the arrest that the defense knew Victim 2’s identity, and that his story wouldn’t match McQueary’s. At the time, Amendola’s comments drew a sharp rebuke from Victim 2’s lawyer, and nothing more was heard about who Victim 2 was until late July, when a man came forward claiming to be the victim. > > According to a statement Victim 2 had given investigators before Sandusky was arrested, Victim 2 indeed said that he had not been abused by Sandusky on the night McQueary saw the two of them together. A source has confirmed to me that such a statement in fact exists. [http://deadsp.in/QSKBf8](http://deadsp.in/QSKBf8) If you could put things in quote boxes, it would be helpful. When there’s a statement like “a source has confirmed to me…” it’s hard to know if you’re speaking for yourself or quoting someone else. Although I must admit, you haven’t spoken much for yourself in this thread. And if the defense knew the identity of Victim 2, why didn’t they call him to refute McQueary’s testimony? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5625 "2012-10-17T12:08:43Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > Thinking he was doing the right thing, MM was strongly encouraged to embellish his eyewitness testimony to get a pedophile off the streets, IMO. Well, that interpretation creates more inconsistencies in McQueary’s behaviour, in that he didn’t follow-through in 2001 and essentially was silent for nearly a decade until his pre-trial statements. Of course, the real meat of the issue is that McQueary (and Paterno and Curley and Schultz) _didn’t_ follow-through, alert police, and find out the facts in a timely manner, which include identifying and questioning the child - assuming he wasn’t a complete fabrication of McQueary’s. ---
**Author:** ![NoLittlePlans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NoLittlePlans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoLittlePlans)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5626 "2012-10-17T12:35:17Z")
- That is exactly why Mike McQueary did not separate the boy from Jerry Sandusky. - That is exactly why MM never dialed 911. - That is exactly why mandated reporter Dr. John McQueary never dialed 911/DPW/CYS. - That is exactly why mandated reporter Dr. Jonathan Dranov never dialed 911/DPW/CYS. That is exactly why Dr. Jonathan Dranov testified under oath that he asked MM three times if the shower scene was “sexual,” and three times MM said no. - That is exactly why MM took his dog for a walk before talking to Joe Paterno the next morning. - That is exactly why MM told JVP he was “comfortable” with the actions taken in response to his report. - That is exactly why MM continued to participate in public functions with JS. IMO, the same two investigators who were unknowingly caught on tape conspiring on ways to get V4 (?) to make charges of rape also approached MM with a half-true story about the monster JS had become, and since MM was the only eyewitness that could deliver the testimony needed for a guilty conviction on Sandusky, MM cooperated and delivered an emboldened testimony without anticipating the unintended world of damage that would follow. That’s why the state prosecutor (AG) expressed her concern when JVP was fired. What we don’t know is Mike McQueary’s motivation. Did he want to be a hero? Did he want to make up for an oversight 10 years ago. Was he cooperating to avoid being charged himself? Let’s hope the answers are revealed as time goes. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5627 "2012-10-17T14:15:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Rape and the horrors associated with it were what people in this thread were so eager to claim Joe Paterno knew about and covered up. The intent was to show how mean, evil and cold-hearted he was in his determination to put his football program ahead of the pain and suffering endured by the countless children Jerry Sandusky raped over ensuing next ten years. > > People fought me tooth and nail for most of the thread trying to insist that anal rape was what McQueary saw that night. > > **I’ve said before and I’ll say again that had people been claiming that Sandusky had been committing some sort of sexual misbehavior with the boy, I probably wouldn’t have objected.** [bolding mine] > > But that wouldn’t do where people of your ilk were concerned. No, you had to try to make it as bad as possible in order to try to make Paterno look as bad as possible. > > So, you’re hoist on your own petard, chum. Liar. Liar, liar, liar. (No surprise there, I know. Coals to Newcastle and all that. Sorry.) I (and many, many others) said repeatedly that the issue was failure to report, and failure to follow up on the report, of what could even by the most skeptical analysis be “possible sexual contact between Sandusky and a child” based upon McQueary’s description of the shower incident he viewed. Indeed, Sandusky was convicted of sexual assaults in his trial, based upon the self-same testimony. Anal rape was only one possible form of illegal and abhorrent sexual contact, but it is the one you, not we, have fixated upon because you think that McQueary’s inability to see Sandusky’s dick inside the ass of that poor kid somehow absolves your hero of moral failures. That is just plain stupid, and it makes you look pathetic. Further, your penchant for substituting opinions and fantasies of your own creation for things like facts and historical records has made you a laughing stock on these boards. We might merely pity you, if your delusions brought you some comfort. But clearly your fantasy world populated by hippies hell bent upon destroying the sacred institutions you held dear as a child is a very scary place for you, and causes you considerable misery. So much so that you actually turn your own sad, sick performance in this thread into a perversion of reality in which you are _winning!!_ And so we don’t pity you at all. After this thread we are disgusted by you and your blind, warped apologia. We engage you now clinically, and from a distance, as one would examine scarab beetles in a huge pile of steaming fresh dung. We poke it with a stick. We watch what slimy and shit encrusted thing crawls out next. And we laugh. Winning? Yeah, keep on telling yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5628 "2012-10-17T15:16:14Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > - That is exactly why Mike McQueary did not separate the boy from Jerry Sandusky. > - That is exactly why MM never dialed 911. > - That is exactly why mandated reporter Dr. John McQueary never dialed 911/DPW/CYS. > - That is exactly why mandated reporter Dr. Jonathan Dranov never dialed 911/DPW/CYS. > That is exactly why Dr. Jonathan Dranov testified under oath that he asked MM three times if the shower scene was “sexual,” and three times MM said no. > - That is exactly why MM took his dog for a walk before talking to Joe Paterno the next morning. > - That is exactly why MM told JVP he was “comfortable” with the actions taken in response to his report. > - That is exactly why MM continued to participate in public functions with JS. > > IMO, the same two investigators who were unknowingly caught on tape conspiring on ways to get V4 (?) to make charges of rape also approached MM with a half-true story about the monster JS had become, and since MM was the only eyewitness that could deliver the testimony needed for a guilty conviction on Sandusky, MM cooperated and delivered an emboldened testimony without anticipating the unintended world of damage that would follow. That’s why the state prosecutor (AG) expressed her concern when JVP was fired. > > What we don’t know is Mike McQueary’s motivation. Did he want to be a hero? Did he want to make up for an oversight 10 years ago. Was he cooperating to avoid being charged himself? Let’s hope the answers are revealed as time goes. I dunno… your leap from “IMO” to “exactly why” is too great, going from recognizing something as a matter of opinion in lieu of hard fact, then assuming that opinion _as_ fact to support further conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_In_Black)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5629 "2012-10-17T15:31:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So let 'em blow a gasket! See if I care. The world would be better off without the sort of people who are perfectly happy to jump to conclusions and destroy people with no evidence whatsoever. Paterno and the rest of those guys would have been lynched by now if most of these people had had their way. They’re a greater threat to society and justice and basic human safety than a hundred Jerry Sanduskys, and I’m not about to back off because they find the facts just too damn frustrating to deal with. And just to prove how fucked up you are, you think that people who think you are an asshole and don;t agree with you are a greater danger than child rapists. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5630 "2012-10-17T15:43:07Z")
Well, let’s establish a ratio, shall we? I assume 1 conclusion-jumper (CJ) is not a greater threat to society and justice and basic human safety (GTSJBHS) than 100 Jerry Sanduskys (JS). The suggestion is that when CJs reach a sufficient number, Paterno _et al_ would be lynched. I’m assuming this needs a group of at least thirty or so, judging from pictures of lynchings from the 1930s and earlier. Arguably, Matthew Shepherd was lynched by only two men, but he was a fairly small fellow who’d been tricked into their truck and driven to an isolated area, while I assume Starving Artist was picturing an outraged mob seizing Paterno and others at their homes or workplaces. So, 30 CJ has a GTSJBHS than 100 JS? I invite corrections of my various assumptions if they seem unsupported. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5631 "2012-10-17T15:46:29Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > Sandusky’s attorney, Lawyerin’ Joe Amendola, said a few weeks after the arrest that the defense knew Victim 2’s identity, and that his story wouldn’t match McQueary’s. At the time, Amendola’s comments drew a sharp rebuke from Victim 2’s lawyer, and nothing more was heard about who Victim 2 was until late July, when a man came forward claiming to be the victim. > > According to a statement Victim 2 had given investigators before Sandusky was arrested, Victim 2 indeed said that he had not been abused by Sandusky on the night McQueary saw the two of them together. A source has confirmed to me that such a statement in fact exists. [http://deadsp.in/QSKBf8](http://deadsp.in/QSKBf8) Sandusky’s lawyer says? Really? Forgive me, but I am not gonna take anything from his legal team at face value. I clicked on your link, then another link therein, then another…and I came across a link to website of a firm claiming to be Victim 2’s attorney > [@](#): > > Ross Feller Casey > > STATEMENT OF LEGAL TEAM FOR SANDUSKY VICTIM NUMBER 2 > > July 26, 2012 > > To protect our client’s privacy and in response to several recent media inquiries, we confirm that our legal team, which includes Joel Feller and Matt Casey of the Philadelphia law firm of Ross Feller Casey, LLP, and State College-based attorneys Justine Andronici and Andrew Shubin, represents the person identified as Victim 2. > > **Our client suffered extensive sexual abuse over many years both before and after the 2001 incident Michael McQueary witnessed in the Penn State Lasch building shower.** Penn State has now admitted and there is no longer any question that its top officials could have and should have prevented these acts. Bolding mine. > **[Child Sexual Abuse | Ross Feller Casey, LLP](https://www.rossfellercasey.com/practice-areas/child-sexual-abuse/)** > > Was your child abused? Get a free, confidential consultation with a Pennsylvania child sexual abuse lawyer at Ross Feller Casey. Offered for whatever it is worth. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5632 "2012-10-17T15:50:19Z")
NoLittlePants, would you please provide cites when you make your assertions of fact? Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5633 "2012-10-17T16:37:24Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, let’s establish a ratio, shall we? > > I assume 1 conclusion-jumper (CJ) is not a greater threat to society and justice and basic human safety (GTSJBHS) than 100 Jerry Sanduskys (JS). > > The suggestion is that when CJs reach a sufficient number, Paterno _et al_ would be lynched. I’m assuming this needs a group of at least thirty or so, judging from pictures of lynchings from the 1930s and earlier. Arguably, Matthew Shepherd was lynched by only two men, but he was a fairly small fellow who’d been tricked into their truck and driven to an isolated area, while I assume Starving Artist was picturing an outraged mob seizing Paterno and others at their homes or workplaces. > > So, 30 CJ has a GTSJBHS than 100 JS? > > I invite corrections of my various assumptions if they seem unsupported. Aha! I knew it! So you’re saying that it’s 14 Kids of Gerald’s in a Full Penn Dressingroom? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5634 "2012-10-17T17:01:55Z")
Yeah, yeah… and Sandusky did it in the ballroom with his lead pipe. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5635 "2012-10-17T17:14:32Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And if the defense knew the identity of Victim 2, why didn’t they call him to refute McQueary’s testimony? Apparently the alleged Victim 2 is claiming that he was abused, but just not in that particular shower incident. The relevance is not so much to Sandusky’s guilt or innocence, but to what MM saw, which of course has tremendous bearing on what he is likely to have told JP et al. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5636 "2012-10-17T17:21:28Z")
Even McQueary showed some later confusion about the timing of the incident, didn’t he? I recall some Paterno apologists trying to get mileage out of a 2001/2002 conflict. Is V2 specifically saying “I remember that a red-haired man saw Sandusky and me in the shower room and that no assault took place that night” ? I guess we’ll have to wait until V2 goes on the record. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5637 "2012-10-17T17:41:25Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Apparently the alleged Victim 2 is claiming that he was abused, but just not in that particular shower incident. That doesn’t really answer my question. Why not call Victim 2 to refute McQueary’s testimony on those counts of the indictment for which it’s relevant? That he was abused at other times shouldn’t matter[sup]\*[/sup] if Sandusky wasn’t charged for those offenses. - “Shouldn’t matter” in terms of the trial. I’m sure it matters a great deal to those involved. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5638 "2012-10-17T17:46:03Z")
I dunno, I kind of sort of have this feeling that having a witness called by the defense testify that JS had molested him many times would not have been helpful to JS’ attempt to convince the jury that he was not a child molestor and that all claims against him were false. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![NoLittlePlans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NoLittlePlans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoLittlePlans)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5639 "2012-10-17T18:18:00Z")
Bryan, I can’t try to position my strong opinion/theory as absolute fact. Please keep this in mind whenever contemplating my content. FWIW, I am still open to all possibilities as more information becomes available, but I strongly disagree with the general narrative. Phipps has the gist. ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5640 "2012-10-18T00:57:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Surely you don’t expect me to give up the fight for truth, justice and the American way out of consideration for the feelings of a bunch hotheaded assholes who were quick to call me a pedophile merely for suggesting early in the thread that they wait until the evidence was out before condemning Paterno for crimes they had no way of knowing at that time he committed. You may think you are fighting for truth, justice, and the American way, but it’s too late for that. You are far better off dropping the subject for the moment and maybe brining it up in another couple of years’ time if you really feel the need. No one is going to change their mind at this point in time. I just about get that for you this all about Paterno, and not Sandusky. But that’s only cause I have read very little of it. I suspect the more of this stuff I would read the more convuluted things would get. If Paterno didn’t actually enable any of this then eventually history will change its judgement of him. That always happens. And for the record, all the above is not necessarily indicative of my viewpoint, it is just advice. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5641 "2012-10-18T04:41:20Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > You may think you are fighting for truth, justice, and the American way, but it’s too late for that. You are far better off dropping the subject for the moment and maybe brining it up in another couple of years’ time if you really feel the need. No one is going to change their mind at this point in time. For Starving Artist, it stopped being about changing people’s minds (one could argue it was _never_ about this, I suspect) at least 1500 posts ago and became all about “Winning!” ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5642 "2012-10-18T06:24:01Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Apparently the alleged Victim 2 is claiming that he was abused, but just not in that particular shower incident. > > The relevance is not so much to Sandusky’s guilt or innocence, but to what MM saw, which of course has tremendous bearing on what he is likely to have told JP et al. Apparent to who? I haven’t seen a cite for this. Do you have a story from a _reputable_ news source? A statement from the alleged victim? Or from a spokesperson for the alleged victim? Or the alleged victim’s lawyer? _Someone who doesn’t work for Sandusky and is not just repeating what those who work for Sandusky say?_ **NoLittlePlans** ’s deadspin cite only tells what Sandusky’s lawyers allege and offers nothing to back it up. Lawyers talking to reporters on behalf of their defendant clients may be distorting the truth…or pulling it right out of their asses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=281) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=283)