# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 290
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5783 "2012-12-09T23:28:21Z")
Do you think Sandusky now deserves to eat moldy food, live in a tent in 100+ degree heat, wear pink underwear, and work on a chain gang? Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5784 "2012-12-09T23:54:23Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > You’ve _only_ been “winning” in _your own_ mind. Of _course_ you won’t ‘backtrack’, since it would result in you actually _recognizing_ your own _stupidity_, which ain’t going to happen. You _are_ the most _willfully_ ignorant idiot I have _ever_ seen. Seriously, dude, You are the prize. _No one_ has _ever_ come up to the level of _your_ willful ignorance. > > You win. We’re all wrong. > > I think we can _all_ discount this ‘Dipshit’… You ought to know by know this kind of stuff doesn’t work with me. I said Paterno wasn’t covering up for child rape and he wasn’t. I said the shower rape everyone was so eager to pin on Paterno had not in fact happened, and it didn’t. McQueary’s description doesn’t support it, as I contended almost from the beginning, and the Sandusky jury found it wanting as well. And now the victim, who’s lack of testimony at the trial was alleged by posters here to be the real reason the jury acquitted Sandusky of the shower rape charge, has stated himself that he was not raped that night. So I’ve been right every step of the way, and you guys haven’t. And now, just to have one last avenue where you can still be wrong, you claim _I’m_ the one who’s a willfully ignorant and stupid. Well, chum(p), all I can say to that is… No u. heh heh heh 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5785 "2012-12-10T00:05:51Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I said the shower rape everyone was so eager to pin on Paterno had not in fact happened, and it didn’t. Still funny. You _know_ what happened in that shower. If you only you could see yourself from the outside… claiming to _actually know_ what happened in a shower many years ago when you weren’t there. I really wish you could see yourself- you’d have a great big belly laugh, just like me. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5786 "2012-12-10T01:29:18Z")
Nope, sorry, you’re wrong even about that. I don’t know what happened in the shower. But I do know one thing that didn’t. And therein lies the rub. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5787 "2012-12-10T01:32:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, sorry, you’re wrong even about that. I don’t know what happened in the shower. But I do know one thing that didn’t. Ha ha HA HA! You have magical powers, SA, to know what did or didn’t happen. Or you’re an idiot. Either way, it’s a privilege to continue to witness your magic/idiocy/magic idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5788 "2012-12-10T01:43:40Z")
:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5789 "2012-12-10T02:18:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Do you think Sandusky now deserves to eat moldy food, live in a tent in 100+ degree heat, wear pink underwear, and work on a chain gang? Just curious. Not moldy food. I want him healthy, he’ll live longer that way. So no 100 degree heat either. Pink underwear is ok, it’s not like he’ll be showing it to anyone. As for the chain gang, he’s probably too old to work that way for long. But indoor labor, something really boring, mind numbing and repetitive, sounds good. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5790 "2012-12-10T03:42:09Z")
> [@L. G. Butts](#): > > You, SA, are a fucking moron. > > If I link to a video of an older, gray haired, man fucking a midget, dog, goat, or other oriface at the correct height will you shut the fuck up? This is a valid question and I would love to hear SA’s response. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5791 "2012-12-10T04:05:06Z")
😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5792 "2012-12-10T04:11:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You ought to know by know this kind of stuff doesn’t work with me. No _shit_. That’s what I just said, fool. “Your own mind”. The only place you can be right… By torturing your own reasoning… But of course you’re right… Bend that reasoning until it _screams_, maybe it can be made to agree with your original contention!!! **SA** ’s reasoning: _ **OK! OK!** _ _Enough!_ Stop with the branding irons, _already!_ I’ll _agree_ that you were right! **SA** : So you _agree_ that Paterno _must_ be innocent, because Sandusky couldn’t possibly fit his dick into a paper towel tube held at two feet off the floor? \ **SA** ’s reasoning: \ GAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! YES! PATERNO IS INNOCENT, BECAUSE YOU’RE FRYING MY ASSHOLE!, err, because you can’t possibly fit that iron up my asshole… \ AAAAAAARRRRRGHHHHH!!! Because Jerry couldn’t possibly fit that iron up my ass… \ YYYYAAAAAHHHH!!! OK, ok!!! [mumblety-something] _paper-towels_ can’t fit up little kids’ asses… \ MMMMAAAAAAGGHHHH!!! **SA** : This is only going to continue until you get it right, you know. \ **SA** ’s reasoning: \ GAAAAHHHHHHH! [quickly tries to reread entire thread] I can’t figure out what the fuck you were arguing! Can you??? What the fuck do you want me to _SAY???_ **SA** :\ **SA** ’s reasoning: \ YYYYYAAAAAHHHHHHGGGGGG!!! You’re RIGHT!!! YOU’RE RIGHT!!! STOP FRYING MY ASSHOLE!!! AAAAAAARRRRRRR!!! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5793 "2012-12-10T05:04:58Z")
Ah, how I love to see my enemies driven [crazy] before me and to hear the lamentations of their women [**Enola**]! 😉 Ahem…no, dipstick. Paterno isn’t innocent because Sandusky couldn’t fuck two feet off the floor. Paterno is innocent because he is innocent. He never tried to cover up the rape of children. He was never told of the rape of children. He never knew of the rape of children. The Sandusky/shower thing vis-a-vis the paper towel tube is important only in that it illustrates that what McQueary thought he saw - which everyone was so certain in the beginning of this thread that Joe Paterno knew about and covered up, heartlessly unconcerned about the pain and suffering of the children being so cruelly abused and concerned only about the welfare of Penn State and his football program - _never happened!!!_ There was never a rape that night! So the crime everyone was so quick to accuse Paterno of knowing about and covering up, and the cruel lack of concern he supposedly had for the children involved, was pure _fiction_!!! Got that??? It was nothing but fiction!!! I am right and you are wrong simply because I’ve been correct in this thread and you and your comrades have not. I was right about Paterno. I was right about the non-rape. And I was right that Paterno and Penn State’s officials had not engaged in a ten-year conspiracy to subborn the oral and anal rape of little kids so as to benefit their football program! I hold these truths to have become self-evident, and I bask in the validation and in the victorious vanquishment of my vile and villainous opponents in this thread which they guarantee. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5794 "2012-12-10T06:57:23Z")
Well, **Starving Artist**? Are you going to answer my question or not? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5795 "2012-12-10T08:24:28Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Since he’s in isolation, at least he’s not feeling much butthurt. Remember, rape is _hilarious_ when it is done to a male. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5796 "2012-12-10T12:47:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ah, how I love to see my enemies driven [crazy] before me and to hear the lamentations of their women [**Enola**]! 😉 > > Ahem…no, dipstick. Paterno isn’t innocent because Sandusky couldn’t fuck two feet off the floor. Paterno is innocent because he is innocent. He never tried to cover up the rape of children. He was never told of the rape of children. He never knew of the rape of children. > > The Sandusky/shower thing vis-a-vis the paper towel tube is important only in that it illustrates that what McQueary thought he saw - which everyone was so certain in the beginning of this thread that Joe Paterno knew about and covered up, heartlessly unconcerned about the pain and suffering of the children being so cruelly abused and concerned only about the welfare of Penn State and his football program - _never happened!!!_ There was never a rape that night! So the crime everyone was so quick to accuse Paterno of knowing about and covering up, and the cruel lack of concern he supposedly had for the children involved, was pure _fiction_!!! Got that??? It was nothing but fiction!!! > > I am right and you are wrong simply because I’ve been correct in this thread and you and your comrades have not. I was right about Paterno. I was right about the non-rape. And I was right that Paterno and Penn State’s officials had not engaged in a ten-year conspiracy to subborn the oral and anal rape of little kids so as to benefit their football program! > > I hold these truths to have become self-evident, and I bask in the validation and in the victorious vanquishment of my vile and villainous opponents in this thread which they guarantee. It wasn’t fiction. It was sexual assault. Or are you now saying that he is completely innocent. Because even if penetration could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, sexual assault was. And in case you forgot, sexual assault on a child is a very bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5797 "2012-12-10T13:04:14Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > And in case you forgot, sexual assault on a child is a very bad thing. There you go again with your fables and fictions - I thought we’d already established, paper towel tube in um… hand, that it was beyond the realm of the physically feasible ? ETA: BTW, \*\*Starkers \*\*? Multiple exclamation marks. The tell-tale sign of a diseased mind. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5798 "2012-12-10T13:05:10Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It wasn’t fiction. It was sexual assault. Or are you now saying that he is completely innocent. Because even if penetration could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, sexual assault was. And in case you forgot, sexual assault on a child is a very bad thing. The amazing thing (the “magical idiocy”) is that **SA** is _completely ruling out_ rape. He somehow _knows_ it didn’t happen. It’s truly magical… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5799 "2012-12-10T16:47:16Z")
Better than that, the \*reason \*he knows that is that 12-year-olds are only 3 feet tall. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5800 "2012-12-10T17:03:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope. The average 4’ person’s anus would be about 24" off the ground. I think this pretty much sums up SA’s post, his arguments, his hopes and dreams, his time on this board, and his reason for existence. He’s arguing the average squatting anal height of people to save a child molester. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5801 "2012-12-10T17:10:16Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I think this pretty much sums up SA’s post, his arguments, his hopes and dreams, his time on this board, and his reason for existence. He’s arguing the average squatting anal height of people to save a child molester. Nope, he’s arguing it to disprove a crime that airheads and lynch-mobbers like you were trying to use to accuse Joe Paterno of knowing about and covering up for in order to protect his football program. > [@Kobal2](#): > > ETA: BTW, Starkers ? Multiple exclamation marks. The tell-tale sign of a diseased mind. I learned it here. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5802 "2012-12-10T17:32:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, he’s arguing it to disprove a crime that airheads and lynch-mobbers like you were trying to use to accuse Joe Paterno of knowing about and covering up for in order to protect his football program. And failing quite badly at it, since: 1. Sandusky was convicted of sexual assault on that boy anyway; and 2. McQueary didn’t specify penetration so whether or not it occurred has no bearing on what Paterno knew or didn’t know. Also, McQueary described the boy as being “roughly a foot shorter than Sandusky”. Not 4’ tall like the description you’ve manufactured out of thin air. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=289) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=291)