# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 291
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5803 "2012-12-10T17:40:05Z")
Oh, right, it was 3 feet earlier in the thread. Now \*\*SA/NLP’s \*\*upped to 4. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5804 "2012-12-10T17:52:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And failing quite badly at it, since: > > 1. Sandusky was convicted of sexual assault on that boy anyway; Meaningless. For one thing, Sandusky was convicted on that charge because of his known behavior otherwise. Any other person without Sandusky’s history and baggage would never have even been charged, given that no specific sexual act could be identified, no victim had been identified, and it would have been simply one man’s word against another’s. Plus it doesn’t matter in context. People at the beginning of the scandal and the beginning of this thread were commiserating over how awful and painful it was for this boy to have been anally raped by Jerry Sandusky and they were using that supposed pain, suffering and anguish to paint Joe Paterno as a cruel, sadistic, uncaring asshole and possible pedophile himself, who, concerned only with protecting his friend and football program, happily engaged in a conspiracy to cover up for and enable ten year’s worth of oral and anal child rape. And it all turned out to be bullshit! And not only that, but bullshit based on a non-existent crime which as it turns out Paterno was never told about in the first place! Hah! What a bunch of schmucks you all are! 😃 > [@Gyrate](#): > > 1. McQueary didn’t specify penetration so whether or not it occurred has no bearing on what Paterno knew or didn’t know. Say what? McQueary himself said he never described what he saw to Paterno as rape. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Also, McQueary described the boy as being “roughly a foot shorter than Sandusky”. Not 4’ tall like the description you’ve manufactured out of thin air. This is the first I’ve heard of it. And certainly my many opponents here would have been trumpeting it to the stars had they known about it. When did he say that? But, even so, that would make the boy roughly 5’ to 5’3" tall, still necessitating a squat of some 8" or so. And besides, the jury found no rape, and the alleged victim himself said there was no rape! (You know, the one whose lack of testimony was allegedly the reason the jury acquitted Sandusky of the rape charge to begin with? :D) So give it the fuck up! I was right, you were wrong! Period! End of story! _La guerre est finis!_ ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5805 "2012-12-10T18:24:03Z")
Yeah, but Sandusky is going to die in prison for molesting kids and Paterno, who knew it was happening, died in complete disgrace. Poor old **Artist** , left behind to cry over his sullied heroes. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5806 "2012-12-10T18:26:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … Sandusky was convicted on that charge because of his known behavior otherwise. Any other person without Sandusky’s history and baggage would never have even been charged, given that no specific sexual act could be identified, no victim had been identified, and it would have been simply one man’s word against another’s. And one molested boy’s word too, of course. This statement alone qualifies you as an unmitigated idiot. A man found naked in a shower with a little boy in the middle of the night would never be charged if he didn’t already have a history of molesting kids? Think again, you dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5807 "2012-12-10T18:40:02Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Yeah, but Sandusky is going to die in prison for molesting kids and Paterno, who knew it was happening, died in complete disgrace. Poor old **Artist** , left behind to cry over his sullied heroes. And the fact that Paterno died in disgrace is in itself a disgrace. Totally unwarranted and unjustified, as I’m sure he knew. > [@Jack Batty](#): > > And one molested boy’s word too, of course. Don’t know why not. Their words seem to be accepted easily enough and without question in molestation trials. Plus he’s stated that while he wasn’t raped that night, Sandusky did indeed sexually abuse him on other occasions. Why would he lie about that night and then speak openly of other abuses? > [@Jack Batty](#): > > This statement alone qualifies you as an unmitigated idiot. A man found naked in a shower with a little boy in the middle of the night would never be charged if he didn’t already have a history of molesting kids? Think again, you dipshit. As trial testimony showed, men and boys showering together on campus was not an unusual occurrence. I believe I also stated earlier in the thread that men and boys have been innocently showering together for as long as showers have existed. I realize you have this boy/man showering hangup, but it says far more about you than it does about me that you can’t seem to separate this commonplace act from pedophilic sex. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5808 "2012-12-10T18:42:28Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > This statement alone qualifies you as an unmitigated idiot. A man found naked in a shower with a little boy in the middle of the night would never be charged if he didn’t already have a history of molesting kids? Think again, you dipshit. Remember (according to **SA** ), Joe Pat came from a different generation, and he couldn’t possibly imagine such dirty things happening. Back then, people didn’t think about or talk about sex, and no one knew about child molesters. And everyone kept their doors unlocked, and women didn’t learn about sex until their mothers taught them before their wedding night, and men said things like “Gosh” and “Golly”, and everyone knew their milkman by his first name… So you can’t blame Joe Pat for not connecting the dots. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5809 "2012-12-10T18:44:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I believe I also stated earlier in the thread that men and boys have been innocently showering together for as long as showers have existed. I realize you have this boy/man showering hangup, but it says far more about you than it does about me that you can’t seem to separate this commonplace act from pedophilic sex. Yes, and men and boys have innocently showered together alone at night and hugging each other since time immemorial. I really wonder what kind of childhood you had, **SA** … ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5810 "2012-12-10T18:45:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As trial testimony showed, men and boys showering together on campus was not an unusual occurrence. And he presents that as \*exculpatory \*evidence. :rolleyes::mad::eek:😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5811 "2012-12-10T18:48:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, and men and boys have innocently showered together alone at night and hugging each other since time immemorial. > > I really wonder what kind of childhood you had, **SA** … I imagine you wonder about a great many things given your painfully faulty reading comprehension. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And he presents that as exculpatory evidence. Actually he presents it as a _fact_. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5812 "2012-12-10T18:49:30Z")
Wait a minute. The only reason this guy was convicted of being a child molester was his habit of being a child molester? So he wouldn’t have been charged with child molestation in this particular instance, except he was subjected to discrimination because of all the other child molestation? So, therefore, he wasn’t actually guilty of a crime in this particular instance? No, that can’t be it. That’s too stupid. Nobody’s is that fucking stupid! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5813 "2012-12-10T18:52:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As trial testimony showed, men and boys showering together on campus was not an unusual occurrence. Complete bullshit. > [@](#): > > I believe I also stated earlier in the thread that men and boys have been innocently showering together for as long as showers have existed Yeah, you also so stated something about fucking a paper towel tube, so pardon me if I continue to consider you a moron. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5814 "2012-12-10T18:56:32Z")
You know, I’m beginning to suspect some of you aren’t really here for the hunting. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5815 "2012-12-10T18:57:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, and men and boys have innocently showered together alone at night and hugging each other since time immemorial. > > I really wonder what kind of childhood you had, **SA** … I only wonder if he was the victim or the perpetrator. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5816 "2012-12-10T19:01:05Z")
Even as I share your disdain, that insinuation is too much. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5817 "2012-12-10T19:03:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I only wonder if he was the victim or the perpetrator. Funny, I don’t recall any testimony about “hugging each other.” Perhaps this is another fantasy cooked up by our boastful video porn researcher, **iiandyiiii**? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5818 "2012-12-10T19:08:54Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > And one molested boy’s word too, of course. > > This statement alone qualifies you as an unmitigated idiot. A man found naked in a shower with a little boy in the middle of the night would never be charged if he didn’t already have a history of molesting kids? Think again, you dipshit. Indeed. And the reason a man seen naked in a shower with a kid in the middle of the night wasn’t immediately investigated was because **SA** ’s hero Paterno, having been informed of the incident, conspired to minimize and misdirect the proper reporting of the possible criminal act (later confirmed and convicted as a criminal act). This is the scum \*\*Starkers \*\*twists reality into pretzels to defend. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5819 "2012-12-10T19:09:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Even as I share your disdain, that insinuation is too much. Not that I kid myself that you care for me in the slightest, nor that you are taking up for me rather than principal, but the whiff of integrity this comment reveals is nevertheless refreshing. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5820 "2012-12-10T19:15:29Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Indeed. And the reason a man seen naked in a shower with a kid in the middle of the night wasn’t immediately investigated was because **SA** ’s hero Paterno, having been informed of the incident, conspired to minimize and misdirect the proper reporting of the possible criminal act (later confirmed and convicted as a criminal act). This is the scum \*\*Starkers \*\*twists reality into pretzels to defend. No, actually Paterno reported it as he was supposed to as a mandated reporter - even though in this instance he was not actually a mandated reporter according to the law. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5821 "2012-12-10T19:23:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, actually Paterno reported it as he was supposed to as a mandated reporter - even though in this instance he was not actually a mandated reporter according to the law. As usual with your replies, none of that comports with reality. Hence further investigations and charges against dirtbag Paterno’s co-conspirators in the “well, shall we really follow up with this or just tell Sandusky not to let anybody catch him doing it any more” reporting charade. JoePa really is lucky to be dead. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5822 "2012-12-10T19:25:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And the fact that Paterno died in disgrace is in itself a disgrace. Totally unwarranted and unjustified, as **I’m sure he knew**. Bolding mine. I’m really pleased to see you finally admit it, even if it took 5,800 painful posts to get you there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=290) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167.md?page=292)