# It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167 "2011-11-07T14:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 316
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6303 "2013-02-13T18:29:55Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’ve been following Paul Krugman, but he hasn’t said anything about Joe Paterno. Checked in on Patsy Kensit and Phil Keoghan, but no luck. Then I thought maybe the placekicker was going to vouch for Joe. > > Who is PK? I’m waiting for the earthshattering revelations! Where are you, NoLittlePants? Promise Keepers or PK is an international Christian organization for men. While it originated in the United States, it is now world-wide. It is self-described as “a Christ-centered organization dedicated to introducing men to Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, helping them to grow as Christians”.[1] Promise Keepers is a non-profit organization, not affiliated with any Christian church or denomination. Their most widely publicized events tend to be mass rallies held at **football stadiums** and similar venues. They also sell a variety of promotional products to “help men keep their promises,” including clothing, books, and music. Dr. Bruce Wilkinson developed the widely-used video curriculum, Personal Holiness in Times of Temptation, as a part of “The Biblical Manhood” series for Promise Keepers. ---
**Author:** ![Mithras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mithras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithras)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6304 "2013-02-13T19:03:34Z")
I’m guessing [Phil Knight](http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8934980/phil-knight-nike-says-joe-paterno-wronged-freeh-report). And that settles it for me. Conveniently, I was planning to remodel a spare bedroom this weekend. Following this revelation I’ve decided to go ahead and convert it to a shrine to Joe Paterno. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6305 "2013-02-13T19:07:18Z")
Moderator: please delete June 14th, 1991 from 4:00 p.m. until midnight. I was really drunk. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6306 "2013-02-13T19:12:10Z")
Moderator, if you could go ahead and delete Rocky V, that would be great. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6307 "2013-02-13T19:31:02Z")
And Moderator, if you could just go ahead and delete all the wild accusations, unfounded assumptions and unproven assertions in this thread with regard to Joe Paterno and the officials at Penn State University, that’d be great. Not only will this shrink the thread to around three pages but it’ll make all our jobs just that much easier. Mmkay?..Thanks ever so much. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6308 "2013-02-13T19:34:06Z")
Yeah, that’d probably put you down around 10,000 posts, **SA**. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6309 "2013-02-13T19:34:11Z")
Moderator: please delete post No. 6300. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6310 "2013-02-13T19:34:21Z")
Moderator: please delete reality television, except for competitive cooking. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6311 "2013-02-13T19:41:49Z")
Moderator: Please Ctrl-Alt-Delete this thread from my memory. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6312 "2013-02-13T19:45:53Z")
Moderator: please delete the tuxedo I rented for my Senior Prom. Ruffles were never in style. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6313 "2013-02-13T19:47:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And Moderator, if you could just go ahead and delete all the wild accusations, unfounded assumptions and unproven assertions in this thread with regard to Joe Paterno and the officials at Penn State University, that’d be great. Not only will this shrink the thread to around three pages but it’ll make all our jobs just that much easier. Mmkay?..Thanks ever so much. Not to mention we’d be spared all of \*\*Starving Artist’\*\*s posts. Win - win. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6314 "2013-02-13T20:03:29Z")
Moderator: please delete the burrito I had for dinner last night. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6315 "2013-02-13T20:40:25Z")
Mods, it in the best interest of this thread to delete post 6312 when it comes around. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6316 "2013-02-13T20:41:41Z")
> [@NoLittlePlans](#): > > Nice job, Robb. You get partial credit the first half of the first clue. SP = Sue Paterno. While it is public knowledge that Sue Paterno will be addressing the public about JVP and the Second Mile Sandusky Scandal for the first time since the GJP hit the press, what is not publicly known is: > > **(A) AM. > (B) PK.** > > \*\*“A” \*\*refers to a guest that will join Sue on Katie Couric’s show on Monday afternoon. The presence of this guest isn’t a big deal, but since it’s not publicly known information I figured I’d mention it now for a credibility reference in the future. I guarantee AM will be featured on the show, however. As will Jay, Scott and Mary Kay (which may or may not be publicly known, I haven’t bothered to check). > > \*\*“B” \*\*refers to the more compelling part of the first clue – the other national headline I promised. As of right now, there is zero speculation about this in google news, but when it comes out it’ll make sense and seem like it should’ve been expected. Anyway, I combined the SP hint (Sue Paterno) and the AM hint with the PK hint under the umbrella of No. 1 because they’ve kind of been strategically planned together. > > **As for No. 2** , the impact will be similar to Part B of No. 1 (a national headliner). Together, hint 1 and hint 2 will combine for a very effective 1-2 punch. > FWIW, I think it’s a natural human tendency for us to cling to our initial instincts and first impressions. But, I would encourage everyone to keep an open mind and realize that the people involved are very well-aware that they’re attaching their names to a radioactive story that’s laid to waste each and every name that’s been associated with the story to date. You don’t subject your name and reputation, your friends, family and colleagues, or your career to the plague of public misconceptions unless you really believe in what you’re doing – most particularly for those in the absence of financial incentives (ie, Louis Freeh was paid between $6,500,000 to $12,000,000 to deliver his 267-page narrative – follow the money, that’s quite an incentive). Ask yourselves what’s in it for these people. Unlike Freeh, they have everything to lose and nothing to gain aside from fulfilling what they feel is a moral obligation to stand up for what is right. > > Also, there is a chance that a third national headline will hit the news alongside the other two between today and Monday, but I’m not confident enough to make that prediction quite yet and I’m not sure if the timing matches up even if it is credible. > > On the other end of the spectrum, I do unfortunately anticipate another ugly turn (or two or three) in this story. As they say, sometimes the only way out is through. Everyone here just wants to get to the bottom-line truth, and even though nobody wants to be subjected to another round of stench and sewage, I’m personally bracing myself to deal with it as long as it delivers the full truth. > > Despite that, I continue to be somewhat optimistic (above average, at least) that the required redeeming evidence does exist to end all speculation. However, even though the burden of proof is lawfully assigned to the prosecution, well, it’s the other way around in the court of public opinion, and it’s extremely difficult (maybe impossible) to prove something doesn’t exist. Does God exist? Ask yourself, if you were dragged into this court case and falsely accused of failing to report your knowledge of a child being brutally raped, and if you truly never had that information, how the eff do you go about in proving it? It’s virtually impossible. > > So, that being said, despite the doomed-to-fail challenge at hand, I still believe such a task can be achieved. This suspicion is not yet based on verified information, but I’ve seen enough pieces of the puzzle fitting together to believe in a fully redeeming vision. That would obviously be the best-case scenario – to leave no doubt in anyone’s mind – but, in the real world, such scenarios rarely come to fruition. Here in the United States of America, our great people were born with the God-given right to freedom and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. That’s all fine and dandy in theory, but the reality is our public jury demands a magic bullet to reverse opinions. > > Does that magic bullet exist? I don’t know. Might evidence actually emerge to further implicate Joe Paterno of his allegedly calculated complicity in the protection of a pedophile? Yes, that too remains a possibility. Either way, as we head into the 16th month of this unsolved mystery, I firmly believe we’re about to be accelerated into the climax of this story. Let’s all just hope for the concluding chapters to silence the controversy and for our society to actually use this story as an opportunity to build a better tomorrow for the welfare of our grandchildren and future generations. “My theory is \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6317 "2013-02-13T21:17:40Z")
Moderators: please delete the 17th underscore in post #6309; it displeases me. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6318 "2013-02-13T21:32:06Z")
Mods: Please delete the email I sent to an ex-girlfiend at 3am while slighlty drunk 10 years ago. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6319 "2013-02-13T21:39:12Z")
Moderator: please delete my requests to delete. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6320 "2013-02-13T22:18:46Z")
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**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/6321 "2013-02-13T22:29:17Z")
Moderator: please delete post # 3141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609. I hate pi. Thanks. ---
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