# ITT: FXMastermind presents his evidence that climategate was scientifically meaningful **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981 "2014-01-28T20:55:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/121 "2014-02-18T13:55:49Z")
I don’t agree with everything this man says, but his climategate stuff cracks me up [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNRW5qMRnIU) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/122 "2014-02-18T14:20:26Z")
Balls in your court. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/123 "2014-02-18T14:45:09Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [Subscribe to read](http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b8bfa07e-1692-11e1-be1d-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2tgEA3iY3) As \*\*Gyrate \*\*commented, it does show something alright, it shows that FX follows the same failure I observe in extreme conservatives, timelines do not exist for them, and he has to resort to opinion pieces, with no report on the several investigations and exonerations that already took place. Willful ignorant is added to the list of FX’s “qualities”. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/124 "2014-02-18T14:51:38Z")
The article also shows that “climategate” damaged climate science in the same way that “You didn’t build that” damaged Obama and “What different does it make?” damaged Hillary. When you take data and statements out of context, claim they mean the opposite of what they actually mean and steadfastly ignore all evidence to the contrary, you will inevitably win over those too stupid to know better and those who don’t care what’s true as long as it supports their side of the argument. It doesn’t prove who’s right, however; only who’s more brazenly dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/125 "2014-02-18T15:06:35Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The article also shows that “climategate” damaged climate science in the same way that “You didn’t build that” damaged Obama and “What different does it make?” damaged Hillary. When you take data and statements out of context, claim they mean the opposite of what they actually mean and steadfastly ignore all evidence to the contrary, you will inevitably win over those too stupid to know better and those who don’t care what’s true as long as it supports their side of the argument. > > It doesn’t prove who’s right, however; only who’s more brazenly dishonest. You got ahead of me, dishonest was going to be added too to his list of “qualities”. As it is his ineptitude that is demonstrated here by him not reading what was posted, back in post #28 the cite from the Union of Concerned Scientists reporting on the investigation and exonerations was posted, the cite FX used does not deal with them. So much for even his latest claim that the ball was in our court, in reality he has not dealt with the findings that the science was not affected. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/126 "2014-02-18T15:07:57Z")
If there was any honesty, people would actually be a little forgiving. But it’s actually like this topic. It is a foregone conclusion, in the mind, so there is actually no point in discussing anything, the warmist has made up the mind, closed that mind, thrown away the key and this entire topic is actually dishonest. Of course. Not that the warmist can see this. But everybody else certainly can. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/127 "2014-02-18T15:18:45Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If there was any honesty, people would actually be a little forgiving. But it’s actually like this topic. It is a foregone conclusion, in the mind, so there is actually no point in discussing anything, the warmist has made up the mind, closed that mind, thrown away the key and this entire topic is actually dishonest. Of course. > > Not that the warmist can see this. But everybody else certainly can. Yes, everyone can certainly see who has made up their mind and is impervious to all evidence to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/128 "2014-02-18T15:20:05Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If there was any honesty, people would actually be a little forgiving. But it’s actually like this topic. It is a foregone conclusion, in the mind, so there is actually no point in discussing anything, the warmist has made up the mind, closed that mind, thrown away the key and this entire topic is actually dishonest. Of course. > > Not that the warmist can see this. But everybody else certainly can. Piffle, remember that the main item here is your refusal to acknowledge how corrosive your \*\*wrong \*\*forgone conclusion was that climate gate was scientifically meaningful. Everyone but you can see that. But this is one of the reasons why a resource like Skeptical Science exists, you could had avoided the embarrassment of regurgitating reheated baloney, the sad thing is that by refusing to check what resources your opposition has and what the reports say you do then fall pray to the dis-informers and eventually like the Republicans that find that many do not agree with their “rape can not get an unwilling woman pregnant”. Getting caught with misinformation can indeed be embarrassing and then \*\*damming \*\*if you double down on the misinformation. And as we all can see you did go double on affirming what the dis-informers told you. Glad we could figure out that we should not rely on what you say then. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/129 "2014-02-18T15:25:26Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/130 "2014-02-18T15:49:24Z")
No no, that was pretty good ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/131 "2014-02-18T16:36:01Z")
Yeah, but **GIGO** went and edited the post I was responding to. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/132 "2014-02-18T17:06:44Z")
That Bastard! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/133 "2014-02-18T17:58:34Z")
Yep, FX just self stamped himself as a certified hypocrite. The tally so far for FX: Trolling, cowardice, lying, quote molesting, being a tool of the Daily Fail and the banned Poptech, being a Jerk, a hypocrite, dishonest and can not read cites too. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/134 "2014-02-18T18:19:48Z")
You are a fine person ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/135 "2014-02-18T18:43:32Z")
I know he is, but what are _you_? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/136 "2014-02-18T19:02:15Z")
Oh now that is real mature ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/137 "2014-02-18T20:48:31Z")
I know I am, but what are you? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/138 "2014-02-18T21:19:33Z")
Don’t harsh my buzz man. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/139 "2014-02-18T22:49:11Z")
Taze him, bro’. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/140 "2014-02-19T00:41:56Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > I find it amazing that people think Gigo is the bees knees when it comes to debating the whole climate change thing. The reason is pretty simple, Gigo has adopted the Michael E Mann debating strategy. (On a side note, I like Gigo. However whenever climate is the topic I try and stay away) > > Gigo runs with the whole climate change thing, then when challenged on anything, links to Real Climate. The problem with that is it is circular. Real Climate is run by the very folks that I believe couldn’t research their way out of a wet paper bag. Then, when anyone dares to question the ‘science’ an ad hominem is instantly issued claiming that the person who asks the question is either a) working for an evil oil company or b) anti-science. But this is the basic method for climate change scientists these days. > > For example, Judith Curry recently appeared in front of Congress to testify about the state of the climate and climate science. Mann called Curry (who happens to be the Professor and Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology and serves on the NASA Advisory Council Earth Science Subcommittee and the DOE Biological and Environmental Science Advisory Committee, and served on the National Academies Climate Research Committee and the Space Studies Board, and the NOAA Climate Working Group. Curry was also a reviewer for IPCC Third Assessment), a ‘serial climate disinformer’. [Link](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-e-mann/climate-change-report_b_3999277.html) > > Curry issued a [challenge](http://judithcurry.com/2014/01/18/mann-on-advocacy-and-responsibility/)to Mann: > > What do we hear from Mann? Crickets. He won’t do it because he can’t. > > And Gigo does similar things, including throwing around the word denier. > > Then to make matters worse, FXMastermind is on my side. Which is sorta like getting a job as head coach of a baseball team only to find out your pitcher has no arms. Or legs. He just sorta spits the ball towards the plate. > > This topic is way more complex than Gigo or the doomsayers believe. The reality is way different than the models and the two are diverging. Hell the Met Office just decided that, after denying that there was a pause in the rise of temperatures two years ago, there actually is a pause and it began in 2000. [Link](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2_recent_pause_in_global_warming.PDF). > > Now that the temps have paused it is very interesting to watch. The reason it is interesting is that the climate doomsayers are running around looking for the missing heat. And that heat, according to the doomsayers, lies everywhere thermometers aren’t. Which is rather handy for those who made a prediction that isn’t coming true. They can say it is still warming without providing any evidence. > > For the record, my guess as to what is happening with the climate is that it heated up for a while. It will run flat for a while. After that it may cool or warm. I believe that CO2 has little to do with the overall climate changes that are happening. [This](http://www.slideshare.net/ryanswelch/how-much-atmospheric-co2-is-from-human-activity-23514995)is one of the reasons I have an issue with the CO2 is gonna kill us all line of thought. I also believe that we ought to work towards the cleanest energy that will meet our needs. > > Additionally, the climate gate emails show a hell of a lot of bad science. When the guy writing the code says things like: > and > > You really have to wonder if the science coming out is any good whatsoever. > > On a side note, I have two predictions. Prediction the first, in twenty or thirty years the climate science now being done will be used as an example of how not to do things. I believe that there are so many issues with data, math and the scientific culture that the ‘consensus’ will be used to show that agendas + science == crap. > > Prediction the second. Much like Paul Ehrlich, who made predictions that were so amazingly wrong that it boggle ones mind, the climate doomsayers will be proven wrong but still have a following. > > Slee Excellent post. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981.md?page=8)