# ITT: FXMastermind presents his evidence that climategate was scientifically meaningful **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981 "2014-01-28T20:55:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/141 "2014-02-19T01:07:33Z")
Hey stop ganging up on him. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/142 "2014-02-19T01:09:19Z")
Because it will mean a dozen posts, and huge walls of text. Nobody wants that. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/143 "2014-02-19T01:41:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Excellent post. Already [del]was slapped[/del] replied to on post #28, but thank you for showing all how you do not pay attention before replying. You really should some day take remedial courses on how to identify good sources from the bad ones. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/144 "2014-02-19T01:43:34Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Because it will mean a dozen posts, and huge walls of text. > > Nobody wants that. Wrong again. You trolling, coward, lying, quote molesting, tool of the Daily Fail and the banned Poptech; Jerk, hypocrite, dishonest, can not read cites and is not aware of context nowhere-man. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/145 "2014-02-19T01:47:11Z")
I told you it would happen. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/146 "2014-02-19T01:51:29Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I told you it would happen. I’m sorry what I meant to say was: Wrong again. You trolling, coward, lying, quote molesting, tool of the Daily Fail and the banned Poptech; Jerk, hypocrite, dishonest, can not read cites and is not aware of context, and does not know how to count words. (seems that he is even proud on telling others that he has no clue about word count and calls posts like this one a wall of text, maybe he is still in middle school) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/147 "2014-02-19T01:54:11Z")
he’s like a wind up toy. Don’t get him wound up if you don’t have time to play with him ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/148 "2014-02-19T02:03:17Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > he’s like a wind up toy. Don’t get him wound up if you don’t have time to play with him Maybe FX is not on middle school then, but by context we can deduce he is in playschool. What a cute little troll, 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/149 "2014-02-19T05:08:14Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Don’t harsh my buzz man. That is… …you know, that would explain a lot about your posts, actually. Hey, kids, this is why you should never post while high. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/150 "2014-02-19T05:36:44Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Hey, kids, this is why you should never post while high. Did you notice how GIGO is oblivious to pop culture references? That explains a lot. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/151 "2014-02-19T05:54:24Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Did you notice how GIGO is oblivious to pop culture references? That explains a lot. Maybe he is a bot programmed to get everything wrong. I already knew it was a reference to the thing one smokes at 4:20, it is just that I do not think that you even deserve \*\*that \*\*kind of break. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/152 "2014-02-19T05:58:32Z")
And here is FX trying to tell others that this quote of mine came from a debate and not from the pit. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17118929&postcount=1926](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17118929&postcount=1926) Oh well, at least he did not omit that he quoted the Daily Mail and Poptech, nice to see he will self stamp himself as a tool for all to see. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/153 "2014-02-19T06:01:52Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > I find it amazing that people think Gigo is the bees knees when it comes to debating the whole climate change thing. The reason is pretty simple, Gigo has adopted the Michael E Mann debating strategy. (On a side note, I like Gigo. However whenever climate is the topic I try and stay away) > > Gigo runs with the whole climate change thing, then when challenged on anything, links to Real Climate. The problem with that is it is circular. Real Climate is run by the very folks that I believe couldn’t research their way out of a wet paper bag. Then, when anyone dares to question the ‘science’ an ad hominem is instantly issued claiming that the person who asks the question is either a) working for an evil oil company or b) anti-science. But this is the basic method for climate change scientists these days. > > For example, Judith Curry recently appeared in front of Congress to testify about the state of the climate and climate science. Mann called Curry (who happens to be the Professor and Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology and serves on the NASA Advisory Council Earth Science Subcommittee and the DOE Biological and Environmental Science Advisory Committee, and served on the National Academies Climate Research Committee and the Space Studies Board, and the NOAA Climate Working Group. Curry was also a reviewer for IPCC Third Assessment), a ‘serial climate disinformer’. [Link](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-e-mann/climate-change-report_b_3999277.html) > > Curry issued a [challenge](http://judithcurry.com/2014/01/18/mann-on-advocacy-and-responsibility/)to Mann: > > What do we hear from Mann? Crickets. He won’t do it because he can’t. > > And Gigo does similar things, including throwing around the word denier. > > Then to make matters worse, FXMastermind is on my side. Which is sorta like getting a job as head coach of a baseball team only to find out your pitcher has no arms. Or legs. He just sorta spits the ball towards the plate. > > This topic is way more complex than Gigo or the doomsayers believe. The reality is way different than the models and the two are diverging. Hell the Met Office just decided that, after denying that there was a pause in the rise of temperatures two years ago, there actually is a pause and it began in 2000. [Link](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2_recent_pause_in_global_warming.PDF). > > Now that the temps have paused it is very interesting to watch. The reason it is interesting is that the climate doomsayers are running around looking for the missing heat. And that heat, according to the doomsayers, lies everywhere thermometers aren’t. Which is rather handy for those who made a prediction that isn’t coming true. They can say it is still warming without providing any evidence. > > For the record, my guess as to what is happening with the climate is that it heated up for a while. It will run flat for a while. After that it may cool or warm. I believe that CO2 has little to do with the overall climate changes that are happening. [This](http://www.slideshare.net/ryanswelch/how-much-atmospheric-co2-is-from-human-activity-23514995)is one of the reasons I have an issue with the CO2 is gonna kill us all line of thought. I also believe that we ought to work towards the cleanest energy that will meet our needs. > > Additionally, the climate gate emails show a hell of a lot of bad science. When the guy writing the code says things like: > and > > You really have to wonder if the science coming out is any good whatsoever. > > On a side note, I have two predictions. Prediction the first, in twenty or thirty years the climate science now being done will be used as an example of how not to do things. I believe that there are so many issues with data, math and the scientific culture that the ‘consensus’ will be used to show that agendas + science == crap. > > Prediction the second. Much like Paul Ehrlich, who made predictions that were so amazingly wrong that it boggle ones mind, the climate doomsayers will be proven wrong but still have a following. > > Slee "Much like Paul Ehrlich, who made predictions that were so amazingly wrong that it boggle ones mind, the climate doomsayers will be proven wrong but still have a following. " That is sort of frightening. A pseudo-scientific based cult. What would Ron Hubbard think? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/154 "2014-02-19T06:04:19Z")
Note that GIGO and company avoid discussing an actual video discussing climategate. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > I don’t agree with everything this man says, but his climategate stuff cracks me up > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNRW5qMRnIU#t=344](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNRW5qMRnIU#t=344) This here is nothing but a troll topic. Like anybody was confused about that. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/155 "2014-02-19T06:14:55Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Note that GIGO and company avoid discussing an actual video discussing climategate. > > This here is nothing but a troll topic. > > Like anybody was confused about that. News flash: you are the troll, even the moderators have come down on people that posts to videos with no explanation to what specific thing you are talking about. But suffice to say the emails of Kevin E. Trenberth were also investigated and nothing bad was found, the yahoo on the video does not know what he is talking about. Nor is he aware of the links available from the Union of Concerned scientists that found nothing wrong, in the end Tremberth contributed to the IPCC 5 report. Must be a conspiracy. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/156 "2014-02-19T06:23:26Z")
And then, just to make sure, his quote of \*\*sleestak \*\*was confirmed to be a failure by not dealing at all with what the Union of concerned scientists found out about climate gate and the result of the investigations made. > **[Debunking Misinformation About Stolen Climate Emails in the "Climategate"...](https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/debunking-misinformation-about-stolen-climate-emails)** > > The international controversy over emails stolen from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit has generated a lot of heat. > [@](#): > > Investigations Clear Scientists of Wrongdoing > > Six official investigations have cleared scientists of accusations of wrongdoing. > > ``` > A three-part Penn State University cleared scientist Michael Mann of wrongdoing. > Two reviews commissioned by the University of East Anglia"supported the honesty and integrity of scientists in the Climatic Research Unit." > A UK Parliament report concluded that the emails have no bearing on our understanding of climate science and that claims against UEA scientists are misleading. > The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Inspector General's office concluded there was no evidence of wrongdoing on behalf of their employees. > The National Science Foundation's Inspector General's office concluded, "Lacking any direct evidence of research misconduct...we are closing this investigation with no further action." > > ``` > > Other agencies and media outlets have investigated the substance of the emails. > > ``` > The Environmental Protection Agency, in response to petitions against action to curb heat-trapping emissions, dismissed attacks on the science rooted in the stolen emails. > Factcheck.org debunked claims that the emails put the conclusions of climate science into question. > Politifact.com rated claims that the emails falsify climate science as "false." > An Associated Press review of the emails found that they "don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions." > > ``` Indeed, misinformation is what is driving FX (not a mastermind). ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/157 "2014-02-19T12:09:28Z")
One thing is for sure, when he wakes up, this will be his first topic to check. And he will spend another unemployed day posting in it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/158 "2014-02-19T12:40:49Z")
I bet he won’t even read these posts before posting. Or maybe he will, which would be reall fucked up. You go to bed at _Last Activity: Today 03:01 AM_ and wake up and the first thing you do is log on and read a post from an enemy, and respond, before you even have coffee. That’s fucked up man., ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/159 "2014-02-19T14:05:19Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > What do we hear from Mann? Crickets. He won’t do it because he can’t. > > **And Gigo does similar things, including throwing around the word denier**. > > … > [@Mods, you are playing their ignorant game if "climate change deniers" is offlimits.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-you-are-playing-their-ignorant-game-if-climate-change-deniers-is-offlimits/630931/1): > > the use of “AGW denier” was kosher as even scientific organizations are realizing that they are encountering the same “logic” as creationists apply to biologists. What a steaming pile of horseshit. > [@sleestak](#): > > … > > This topic is way more complex than Gigo or the doomsayers believe. The reality is way different than the models and the two are diverging. Hell the Met Office just decided that, after denying that there was a pause in the rise of temperatures two years ago, there actually is a pause and it began in 2000. [Link](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2_recent_pause_in_global_warming.PDF). > > Now that the temps have paused it is very interesting to watch. The reason it is interesting is that the climate doomsayers are running around looking for the missing heat. And that heat, according to the doomsayers, lies everywhere thermometers aren’t. Which is rather handy for those who made a prediction that isn’t coming true. They can say it is still warming without providing any evidence. > > … Sure they can, just like they can say climategate means nothing, there was zero evidence of any wrong, all the emails show nothing is wrong at all. They handwave it away, and then get mad when you laugh at them. because it doesn’t get much more like denial than to simply deny everything you don’t like. Grow up and realize that if you are playing, you are going to take some hits. Quit crying about it. And follow the goddamn rules. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/160 "2014-02-19T14:42:57Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You go to bed at _Last Activity: Today 03:01 AM_ and wake up and the first thing you do is log on and read a post from an enemy, and respond, before you even have coffee. Today 09:28 AM You are not sleeping well. Seriously dude. Take a break, go outside. Live! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981.md?page=9)