I've fucking had it with NASCAR and NBCSN

I always thought it was National Association of …

Anyway, I don’t know what a restrictor plate is, but I want to join the bitch fest about sports on obscure cable networks. Specifically, MLB playoffs on FS1. I don’t think I even had FS1 when I paid Comcast. Now I get the sports package on Sling TV. I get all the ESPNs, the SEC network, a bunch of stuff I barely understand what it is. I even get TBS, which has worked for the NL. But FS1? No dice. That’s really going to suck if the Mariners ever manage to make the playoffs.

With baseball becoming an increasingly obscure sport, you should count your lucky stars. It’s only a matter of time before you can see it exclusively on ESPN Deportes.

In this case, something sports related was moved to a cable channel in favor of something else sports related.

As an F1-and-not-NASCAR viewer, I would vastly prefer that NBC keep F1 on NBCSN only. For one thing, my DVR has missed one or two races this year that aired on other NBC channels and I’ve had to watch the replays two or three days later.

For another, it’s really the only way I can justify paying $15 or $20 or whatever for the Bright House Networks sports pack during the NFL offseason (during the season, it pays for itself via the Redzone Channel).

Anyway, if you think this is bad, be glad you’re not a rugby fan. The group stage of the Rugby World Cup was only available on fucking pay-per-view (at least from Bright House).

They only show beisbol!

On a more serious note, is this backed up by any data? I was under the impression that baseball was quite healthy. I mean, it’s not the NFL, but both TV and live audiences were increasing.

Ratings are on a long-term downward trend and participation and the fanbase is now older than the GOP base. I haven’t really studied this in any depth, mostly because I don’t watch baseball, but the impression I have is that it would be the fifth US sport by now if not for the growth of the Hispanic community.

I would like to stumble into your pit thread and applaud NBC for showing the Rugby World Cup semifinal on Saturday and showing the actual Webb Ellis Cup match next weekend. Unlike football, where they get to show commercials every 3.5 minutes, televising a rugby match is a commitment to having 40 minutes without a commercial break and then another 40 minutes right after that. And it was a great match!

No, it’s National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing. And the comparison relates to the fact that both series run tubular-frame race-prepared cars powered by V-8s that only superficially resemble the cars whose names they bear.

If I say the Bundesliga is the German Premier League you’d understand what I mean. Same-same here.

Do you want to know? Keep reading.

Cars run on three things: air, fuel, and spark. Spark is pretty simple, so the goal is to get as much air and fuel in the cylinders as possible. The problem is that unrestricted engines combined with aerodynamic developments lead to things like this (Bobby Allison, Talladega 1987).

At that moment NASCAR knew they had a big problem, and that they couldn’t depend on luck to keep the cars out of the stands. So, from that race forward, all races at Daytona and Talladega, the two longest, widest, smoothest tracks capable of generating the highest speeds, are run with restrictor plates.

Originally the restrictor plate mounted directly below the carburetor, reducing the size of the air intake (and thus the cubic feet per minute volume of air) for all cars and therefore controlling speeds because the engines would simply run out of breath. Now that they have switched to fuel injection they place the restrictor plate on the air intake, where it serves the same function.

This leads to another problem. If all cars are essentially limited to the same top speed, nobody can get away. Therefore, the way to go fast is to get behind somebody and let their aerodynamic package break the wind for you. This is called drafting. With that being the most effective way to go fast, the drivers all do it, creating a pack of cars all pushing 200 miles per hour, side by side, sometimes even three or four-wide.

It makes for very exciting edge-of-your-seat racing, but it’s ridiculously dangerous. Almost invariably someone has a problem or makes a mistake and wipes out half the field. This is known as The Big One. Yesterday’s Big One may or may not have been intentional.

So there you go. A really quick primer on racing at Daytona and Talladega and what restrictor plates are.

Your explanation is far more interesting than any race I’ve been forced to endure (when only happens when I’m at a place where someone else controls the TV. )

Was it back in 2000 when Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin died that they made Loudon, NH a restrictor race a time or two?

So a restrictor plate on a smaller track means everyone goes the exact same speed and because you don’t get the high speeds of Talladega or Daytona, there is zero passing. It was literally like watching high speed traffic… well, even moreso than your average stock car race.

I didn’t know until I read this thread that somehow the broadcasting of NASCAR got worse since I watched it regularly. That’s an awfully low bar to somehow not be able to clear.

Yep. They did it one time. Jeff Burton won the race which, for the first time in about 40 years, featured no lead changes. None. He went wire-to-wire.

Exactly. But they had to do something. The speeds around New Hampshire were insane and they didn’t yet have the SAFER barriers. Once they installed them they pulled the plate and it’s been kinda OK blah racing since.

NASCAR’s biggest current problem is too many cookie-cutter tracks. 36 races, 4 are short tracks, 4 are super speedways, 2 are road courses, and the rest range from 1 to 2.5 miles in length, most of them indistinguishable from the others. A race in California is the same as a race in Charlotte is the same as a race in Atlanta. They break it up with Richmond and Darlington, but that’s not enough.

It’s improved considerably since NBC got it earlier this year, believe it or not. TNT skipped almost 40% of the race by laps run while at commercial. NBC has it right around 30%.

Technically the 1. (or 1st) Bundesliga is the German Premiere League. The Bundesliga is the top two divisions of German football/soccer (the other is 2. Bundesliga).

That is a good point–I look ahead and noticed that my DVR was set to record the reply at 6:30 pm and remembered that it was on regular NBC, but I think I’ve missed Canada at least once.

An then there are the times they move qualifying to CNBC because NBCSN has the time booked to watch a bunch of Englishmen kick a ball around and not score any goals for 90 minutes… :smiley:

Yeah, they show that stuff here, now and then. Man, those drivers down under are absolutely nuts! I saw one race where the leader was coming up to lap a backmarker and just totally ran him right the fuck over, taking them both out. Fucking maniacs!

I agree with TBG, this was an interesting read. Thanks for posting it.