# I've had it with "Edge of Seventeen" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844 "2017-02-02T20:06:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ponch8](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponch8/32/9883_2.png) [@Ponch8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponch8)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/61 "2017-02-04T21:01:18Z")
> [@Dickerman](#): > > The local classic rock station is my default (except Saturday and Sunday nights when the blues are played exclusively on another station), but any Rush song will get the axe. I can’t stand Rush. I never liked them and never will, so I can’t really say I’ve “had” it with them. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/62 "2017-02-04T21:13:34Z")
My college room mate played “Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys” over and over. I can not listen to it to this day. I’m 64. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/63 "2017-02-04T21:59:19Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > My college room mate played “Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys” over and over. I can not listen to it to this day. I’m 64. The summer I was 16, I thought Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” was the greatest piece of music ever made, and starting a couple years later, I cannot stand to listen to any of it. This may have been in part because it was a very difficult time of my life, which included the biggest betrayal I’ve had to date. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/64 "2017-02-04T22:02:34Z")
Thanks to this thread, I went and bought Eo17. I thank you, and Stevie thanks you. Also thanks to this thread, I learned about analog guitar delay devices. I don’t know how I never heard of them, but I hadn’t. And considering how many songs must use them, that’s a large hole of ignorance. chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/65 "2017-02-05T03:16:55Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > **“The white winged dove…”** Dang. And all this time I thought it was “the ONE-winged dove.” I always imagined this poor bird flapping around in a circle. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/66 "2017-02-05T03:39:47Z")
> [@Labdad](#): > > To **silenus** and **WordMan** , both of whom have always been nothing but kind and generous in their discourse with me, thank you for patiently fighting my ignorance. > > Btw, I listened to the song twice. As of now, I think once was too much! Now you know how easy it is to have had it with it! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/67 "2017-02-05T06:04:55Z")
> [@Labdad](#): > > To **silenus** and **WordMan** , both of whom have always been nothing but kind and generous in their discourse with me, thank you for patiently fighting my ignorance. > > Btw, I listened to the song twice. As of now, I think once was too much! To make it up to you, try a little of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDTG797T14I) (Stevie covers some Tom Petty). ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/68 "2017-02-05T17:18:40Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Dang. And all this time I thought it was “the ONE-winged dove.” I always imagined this poor bird flapping around in a circle. Me, too. I still hear it that way. Interesting that the title itself is a mondegreen. Tom Petty’s wife was telling Stevie that they met at the “age of seventeen”, but her accent made it come out sounding like “edge”. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/69 "2017-02-05T17:20:34Z")
My boss has a very strict “NO U2 IN THE KITCHEN!” rule. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/70 "2017-02-06T15:31:08Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Another one I just thought of is Pat Benatar’s “We Belong”. > > It’s one of those songs that shouldn’t have been a hit in the first place, let alone a classic. > > 😕 :o I LOVE that song. LOVE. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/71 "2017-02-06T21:28:49Z")
> [@Ponch8](#): > > There does seem to be a pretty big void as far as 90s, 2000s, and early 2010s music goes. Not many stations play songs from these eras, with the exception of some 90s alternative music (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots). Where are the early Eminem songs? Where is “Baby Got Back”? Do “JACK” or “Mix Hits” (those are the terms I recall) stations still exist? There was a type of station that played the “hits of the 80s, 90s, and today.” Eminem is all over the radio where I live. His early stuff gets play on classic Hip-Hop AND Alternative rock stations (they also like the Beasties… hmm). I haven’t heard “Baby Got Back” lately, but my local classic Hip-Hop station even plays Vanilla Ice and they are heavy on pop hits like Heavy D, so I’m surprised I haven’t heard any Sir Mix-A-Lot or Hammer. They also have a good mix of stuff that didn’t crossover but is familiar to fans of the genre. ---
**Author:** ![Ponch8](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponch8/32/9883_2.png) [@Ponch8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponch8)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/72 "2017-02-06T22:37:16Z")
> [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](#): > > Do “JACK” or “Mix Hits” (those are the terms I recall) stations still exist? There was a type of station that played the “hits of the 80s, 90s, and today.” > > Eminem is all over the radio where I live. His early stuff gets play on classic Hip-Hop AND Alternative rock stations (they also like the Beasties… hmm). > > I haven’t heard “Baby Got Back” lately, but my local classic Hip-Hop station even plays Vanilla Ice and they are heavy on pop hits like Heavy D, so I’m surprised I haven’t heard any Sir Mix-A-Lot or Hammer. They also have a good mix of stuff that didn’t crossover but is familiar to fans of the genre. These stations don’t exist in Chicago. Even Peoria in downstate Illinois has stations that play this music, though. I listen to them when I visit my parents. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/73 "2017-02-07T21:04:31Z")
> [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](#): > > Do “JACK” or “Mix Hits” (those are the terms I recall) stations still exist? There was a type of station that played the “hits of the 80s, 90s, and today.” There was one that would come on between here and NYC, probably in Mass. Yeah, that was a good one – a lot of variety. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/74 "2017-02-07T21:07:37Z")
Ah yes, another song about rock stars fucking teenage groupees. “Edge of 17” would be 16 then. Or maybe 15 if they look older. Kinda like the Beatles song “She was just 17, if you know what I mean”, which means she wasn’t 17 yet. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/75 "2017-02-07T22:58:22Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ah yes, another song about rock stars fucking teenage groupees. > > “Edge of 17” would be 16 then. Or maybe 15 if they look older. Kinda like the Beatles song “She was just 17, if you know what I mean”, which means she wasn’t 17 yet. Then again Paul was, what, 19 when he wrote it? In which case it’s entirely appropriate if he meant she IS 17 and, shall we say, is rarin’ ta go. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/76 "2017-02-07T23:32:57Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ah yes, another song about rock stars fucking teenage groupees. > > “Edge of 17” would be 16 then. Or maybe 15 if they look older. Kinda like the Beatles song “She was just 17, if you know what I mean”, which means she wasn’t 17 yet. When Tiffany remade it, she sang, “He was just 17…” but then again, so was she. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/77 "2017-02-24T12:43:49Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > ::stands up, dusts off hands:: > > My work here is done. ;). > > Glad it was helpful. Yeah, in effect, you are _playing the effect_ as much as you are playing the guitar. The Edge lives in that world, but it is everywhere, including a personal favorite, **She Sells Sanctuary** by **The Cult** : [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ErgzObQJMPM](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ErgzObQJMPM) Minor update: I’m kinda wrong about Edge of Seventeen’s delay-based guitar riff not being exhausting. I was being a guitar geek online (shocking I know) and watched an interview of Waddy Wachtel the guitarist who played it. He commented that, yeah, it could get exhausting tracking with the delay, esp when on tour and Stevie would use it as her opener - Waddy might be playing for six minutes before she even came on stage, let alone making it through the song. I can’t imagine; I would have to find a Zen place where I could just zone out while locked into the groove. And playing the _next_ song after that would be brutal. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/78 "2017-02-24T14:40:25Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Minor update: I’m kinda wrong about Edge of Seventeen’s delay-based guitar riff not being exhausting. I was being a guitar geek online (shocking I know) and watched an interview of Waddy Wachtel the guitarist who played it. He commented that, yeah, it could get exhausting tracking with the delay, esp when on tour and Stevie would use it as her opener - Waddy might be playing for six minutes before she even came on stage, let alone making it through the song. I can’t imagine; I would have to find a Zen place where I could just zone out while locked into the groove. And playing the _next_ song after that would be brutal. You don’t mean to tell me that Stevie Nicks would try to make a grand entrance on her own time ---
**Author:** ![Totenfeier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Totenfeier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Totenfeier)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/79 "2017-02-24T16:29:33Z")
I’m reveling - reveling, I tell you - in the Bob Seger hate. “Turn the Page” is a particularly loathsome example of the “Man, it sucks to be a famous rock star” genre. Go be a Walmart greeter, and shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844/80 "2017-02-24T18:04:24Z")
> [@kiz](#): > > …I want to burn out my eardrums whenever I hear “Hotel California”. Me - I do the Micheal O’Donohue route, but instead of through the eyes, I just plunge those 18" suckers deep into both ears. > [@River\_Hippie](#): > > Def Leppard Nothing gave me greater masochistic glee back in the 80’s than going “Pour, some sugar on meeeeeah.” Or “fa-fa-fa-foo-ooo-li-i-in…uuuhhh-a fa-fa-fa-foo-ooo-li-i-in.” > [@John\_DiFool](#): > > REO Speedwagon is my nemesis. Cloying, insincere, sappy to the core. Again - more 80’s hideousness, expanding my repetoire to “heard it from a _friend_ who-o-o-o X 2, heard it from another you’ve been messin arou-ou-ound…They say ya got a boy-frie-eh-end…You’re out late every week-eh-eh-end…They’re talkin about ya and it’s bringing me do-ow-own.” > [@Dickerman](#): > > The local classic rock station is my default (except Saturday and Sunday nights when the blues are played exclusively on another station), but any Rush song will get the axe. and > [@Ponch8](#): > > I can’t stand Rush. I never liked them and never will, so I can’t really say I’ve “had” it with them. (slight derail) Played this for non-Rush fans - some liked, some didn’t. Usually it’s Geddy’s high voice that’s the source of dislike, but here it stays in a lower register: [Jacob’s Ladder](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBz8sDXewNQ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-had-it-with-edge-of-seventeen/778844.md?page=5)