# I've just re-read "Teemings: In The Wake Of The Fire" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465 "2004-06-03T16:12:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/1 "2004-06-03T16:12:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Caesar’s spirit, ranging for revenge, > With Ate by his side, come hot from hell, > Shall in these confines, with a monarch’s voice, > Cry “Havoc!” and let slip the dogs of war.~` **William Shakespeare** You dirty sons of bitches, you’re dead. Hide where you want. You dirty Al Qida sons of bitches you are dead. We will never stop looking. I’m gonna go have some quiet time now. [http://www.teemings.com/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html](http://www.teemings.com/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chastain86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/2 "2004-06-03T16:28:18Z")
I second the emotion, if not the sentiment. The people who did these things must be brought to justice, and we will continue searching for as long as it takes. Still, it’s important that when fighting monsters, you do not become one yourself. This country’s leaders, lawmakers, soldiers, and (most importantly) citizens need, above all, to remember that. I’m a little ashamed of some of the decisions we’ve made post-911. Not ready to put Bush’s head on a pike like a lot of Dopers, but enough to give me pause – and enough to question whether this is still the land of the free, or if it’s become something else. Only time will tell, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/3 "2004-06-03T16:31:08Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > You dirty sons of bitches, you’re dead. > > Hide where you want. > > You dirty Al Qida sons of bitches you are dead. > > We will never stop looking. > > I’m gonna go have some quiet time now. > > [http://www.teemings.com/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html](http://www.teemings.com/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html) What are you talking about? The Bushies stopped looking a while ago. They even said that that they had him contained, so that his capture is no longer on their agenda. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/4 "2004-06-03T16:56:50Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > What are you talking about? The Bushies stopped looking a while ago. > They even said that that they had him contained, so that his capture is no longer on their agenda. Not that I could ever cite it, but I can’t help thinking that the search for Al Qaeda operatives continues on all over the world, multilaterally and under the international press’s radar. I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of secret stuff going on, and I’m not confident the international press can deliver the Dope. YMMV. AFAIK, (no cite … but where was Pat Tillman killed?) there are still American assets in Afghanistan … including some near the Pakistani border. AFAIK, Pakistani forces have their side of the border covered. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/5 "2004-06-03T16:57:06Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > What are you talking about? The Bushies stopped looking a while ago. > They even said that that they had him contained, so that his capture is no longer on their agenda. Not until early October, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/6 "2004-06-03T17:06:26Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > You dirty sons of bitches, you’re dead. > > Hide where you want. > > You dirty Al Qida sons of bitches you are dead. > > We will never stop looking. > > I’m gonna go have some quiet time now. > > [http://www.teemings.com/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html](http://www.teemings.com/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html) Oh yeah, because retribution is _always_ the answer. :rolleyes: Sam ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/7 "2004-06-03T17:08:20Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > AFAIK, (no cite … but where was Pat Tillman killed?) there are still American assets in Afghanistan … including some near the Pakistani border. AFAIK, Pakistani forces have their side of the border covered. Frankly, if BinLaden and his cronies are anywhere NEAR Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, they’re bigger idiots that I could have ever expected. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/8 "2004-06-03T17:26:52Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > Frankly, if BinLaden and his cronies are anywhere NEAR Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, they’re bigger idiots that I could have ever expected. I couldn’t say one way or the other. It’s likely OBL was out of the area even long before 9-11-01 – Bill Clinton had ordered missles fired upon his suspected location in Afghanistan. If OBL played it safe, he was probably long gone. Still, I do personally believe that more than a few Taliban and AQ agents are more or less trapped in various places in the Hindu Kush mountains. They can probably hide out, move around a little, and get aid from sympathetic locals for the rest of their lives … but I don’t think they can easily escape the area thanks to the US/Pakistani military presence. OBL may be in there, though he probaly isn’t. Neither would surprise me. I also don’t think OBL is all that valuable a strategic target. Politically – yes, he’s valuable. But the AQ cells can (and do AFAIK) work autonomously. So the AQ hunt has to be worldwide, multilateral, and (ideally) covert. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/9 "2004-06-03T17:51:58Z")
I’m better now. But I don’t want justice, I want revenge. Reading that made this feeling as fresh as if the strikes were just yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/10 "2004-06-03T18:44:50Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > I’m better now. > > But I don’t want justice, I want revenge. > > Reading that made this feeling as fresh as if the strikes were just yesterday. Great, not **just** a drama queen, but a retributive one. Just what the world needs! Hurray, hurrah! Warmongering abounds! Sam ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/11 "2004-06-03T19:19:44Z")
**GaWd** , Did you [re]read it? It might not be the ‘right’ thing to do, but I perfectly understand **Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor**. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/12 "2004-06-03T19:25:38Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > But I don’t want justice, I want revenge. There are some who say that Osama has become irrelevant. That it’s OK to leave him sitting in his cave, eating peeled grapes and laughing at America’s impotence. Those people are wrong. Bin Laden needs killing, BADLY! ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/13 "2004-06-03T19:30:52Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Those people are wrong. Bin Laden needs killing, BADLY! Yes! Because once Osama is gone, all of the violence everywhere will stop! ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/14 "2004-06-03T19:44:33Z")
> [@gum](#): > > **GaWd** , Did you [re]read it? It might not be the ‘right’ thing to do, but I perfectly understand **Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor**. And that is proof positive of the lack of humanity and understanding and civilization of the people of the United States of America. Killing for sport, or revenge or retribution. I do not and cannot “understand” his feelings. Sam ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/15 "2004-06-03T19:45:24Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > Yes! Because once Osama is gone, all of the violence everywhere will stop! Why would you say such a stupid thing **jarbabyj**? ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/16 "2004-06-03T19:53:07Z")
To suggest that 50,000 wrongs don’t make a right? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/17 "2004-06-03T19:53:47Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > And that is proof positive of the lack of humanity and understanding and civilization of the people of the United States of America. You’re using too broad of a brush – **gum** speaks for himself. Not that he doesn’t have ample company, but I think American opinions, as usual, run the gamut. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/18 "2004-06-03T19:58:12Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Why would you say such a stupid thing **jarbabyj**? I read that as sarcasm, which Jarbaby can be known for. I believe her tongue is firmly planted in her cheek. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/19 "2004-06-03T20:16:46Z")
Originally posted by **bordelond** > [@](#): > > - Quote: > Originally Posted by GaWd > And that is proof positive of the lack of humanity and understanding and civilization of the people of the United States of America. > You’re using too broad of a brush – gum speaks for himself. Not that he doesn’t have ample company, but I think American opinions, as usual, run the gamut. - Yes, I do speak for myself. And to think I’m not even American. Speaking of which: Originally posted by **GaWd** > [@](#): > > _I do not and cannot “understand” his feelings._ No? You’re against death penalty? _I_ am. But that doesn’t mean I can’t understand someone feeling revengeful. That doesn’t mean **Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor** is going to act upon it. It merely shows he’s hurt - and human. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465/20 "2004-06-03T20:43:49Z")
> [@gum](#): > > Originally posted by **bordelond** \* > > Yes, I do speak for myself. And to think I’m not even American. Speaking of which: Sorry for mischaracterizing you as American. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by **GaWd** No? You’re against death penalty? Most definitely. > [@](#): > > _I_ am. But that doesn’t mean I can’t understand someone feeling revengeful. While I understand feeling revengeful, I also understand that killing another human being, or hunting him down to the ends of the earth and wiping him off the planet will advance nobody’s cause, save making a few politicians very happy and briefly sating many people’s desire to see people brutally punished. > [@](#): > > That doesn’t mean **Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor** is going to act upon it. What is there to act upon? He’s not in the military. This isn’t about acting upon your anger, it’s about the desire for vengeance. About the split-second satisfaction another’s death will bring about within yourself. > [@](#): > > It merely shows he’s hurt - and human. Nope, it shows he’s a drama queen who is in need of therapy. We all were affected by the events of 9-11. Greatly. But in the last 3 years if you haven’t gotten over a majority of the emotions that controlled all of us in that period of time, you need counseling. If reading someone’s account of the day or moment drives you to call for retribution, vengeance, and blood, you need some support. Now is the time for healing, not sating one’s need for blood. Best of luck, Bosda. Sam [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-just-re-read-teemings-in-the-wake-of-the-fire/248465.md?page=2)