# I've Said it Before.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145 "2016-10-10T13:54:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/61 "2016-10-10T23:49:47Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I bet **UberArchtype** has no chin. I bet that’s not all he’s missing. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/62 "2016-10-10T23:54:21Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I believe she is Lying POS who belongs in jail. > Still voting for her though. WAAAAY better than Trump. Great! I really don’t give a shit who anyone _VOTES_ for. That’s your business. Just help me pit all these apparently willfully ignorant or cognitively dissonant weasels who won’t admit the truth. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/63 "2016-10-10T23:55:25Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Seconded. I was a USAF Cryptologic Linguist Specialist. And we all know the world of high stakes national security revolves around Army Specialists. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/64 "2016-10-11T00:02:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If a troll shits in the woods and nobody gives a flying fuck, does he still “win”? Charlie Sheen thinks so. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/65 "2016-10-11T00:15:36Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Great! I really don’t give a shit who anyone _VOTES_ for. That’s your business. Just help me pit all these apparently willfully ignorant or cognitively dissonant weasels who won’t admit the truth. :smack: Ok. The truth is that you are a loudmouth bore and apparent idiot. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/66 "2016-10-11T00:27:17Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > And we all know the world of high stakes national security revolves around Army Specialists. :rolleyes: USAF isn’t the Army. Not paying attention to small details like that might mean you are missing a lot of the story on a lot of issues. ---
**Author:** ![Psychopants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Psychopants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psychopants)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/67 "2016-10-11T00:35:51Z")
way to fight ignorance. not. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/68 "2016-10-11T00:43:15Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > And we all know the world of high stakes national security revolves around Army Specialists. :rolleyes: Ignore facts, like the fact that carelessness in handling classified info is never prosecuted unless paired with deliberate action for profit, spying, etc, if you want. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/69 "2016-10-11T00:44:05Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > And we all know the world of high stakes national security revolves around Army Specialists. :rolleyes: Air Force cryptographer here … yes … my next duty assignment would have been Cheyenne Mountain Complex … that’s ICBM launch codes in hand … it would have been me who decrypted the Executive Order to launch … who the fuck did you think did all this busy work … generals, officers … we don’t waste college graduates on code books now do we? * * * I feel your pain, **Uber** , I really do. However, I have lingering questions about what actually happened. It is certain that the FBI stating that Hillary’s e-mails contained top secret information was a far graver compromise than anything _in_ the e-mails. If there was top secret information in those e-mails, then why would the FBI tell the Chinese to go through all them pentabytes of data and find it? The fact that top secret information was compromised is itself top secret information … so I have to ask, just how “top secret” were those e-mails? I think the case to throw Oliver North into military prison the rest of his natural life was far better than the case against Hillary. We certainly had a case to throw Richard Nixon into prison for a while. As far as I’m concerned, these two men individually did more damage to the United States than the sum total of all that Hillary has been accused of. If they are true, then these are qualities of character I’d like to see in our first woman President. She’s good at building trust so when we turn our back on her she can set the knife in. That’s what all the Presidents have done, however I don’t see the rant here about a recent man President authorizing torture, or the man President who was ultimately responsible for those e-mails … This is just because she’s a woman … right? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/70 "2016-10-11T00:55:11Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Please please please, **UberArchetype** , do try to come up with something a little more compelling. I’m absolutely desperate to have an excuse to vote for Trump, so I can watch the world burn, but I just haven’t seen the argument that quite puts him over the top yet. Watching the world burn should be reason enough. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/71 "2016-10-11T01:40:30Z")
I’m not sure this really counts as my first Pitting. He doesn’t even know my name. _sobs_ I thought I’d do a little research on his (?) user name. Uber - denoting an outstanding or supreme example of a particular kind of person or thing Archetype - a very typical example of a certain person or thing Right away we see the cognitive dissonance that typifies his posting. An apparent grab for uniquness, coupled with a complete marriage to lack of originality of thought. A veritable Pinocchio attempting desperately to pass as a real boy. Run along now. The grown ups are talking. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/72 "2016-10-11T01:55:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Watching the world burn should be reason enough. Yes, but without that airtight excuse, without that fig leaf to cover up my hollow core, it just wouldn’t feel right. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/73 "2016-10-11T01:58:38Z")
So how y’all enjoying that categorical ignoring I mentioned earlier? > [@watchwolf49](#): > > I think the case to throw Oliver North into military prison the rest of his natural life was far better than the case against Hillary. What you “think” you know and what we now know about Billary’s email server are 2 completely different things. Also, I would ask the “Specialist” if any of the very very few people he is aware of running afoul of the law in this respect were running classified email servers on the Internet. But I don’t have to, because the the answer is “no,” not even close. Same as the difference between what North and Billary did - not even close in many respects, including the specific laws broken AND the intent to do so. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/74 "2016-10-11T02:01:25Z")
OK, so what law do you believe was violated? Be specific. Bonus points if you can provide an example of another person who has violated that same law, and what their sentence was. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/75 "2016-10-11T02:07:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > (bolding mine)Seeing as how she hasn’t been convicted of a felony, I would have to assume that you are either an idiot or a liar(there was a third possibility-mistaken-but that was taken off the board when you were previously informed that she hadn’t been convicted and you ignored it). Could you please tell us which one you are, so that we may properly respond with either sympathy or contempt? Why not both? Surely the OP deserves our sympathetic contempt. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/76 "2016-10-11T02:09:58Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > So how y’all enjoying that categorical ignoring I mentioned earlier? > > What you “think” you know and what we now know about Billary’s email server are 2 completely different things. Also, I would ask the “Specialist” if any of the very very few people he is aware of running afoul of the law in this respect were running classified email servers on the Internet. But I don’t have to, because the the answer is “no,” not even close. Same as the difference between what North and Billary did - not even close in many respects, including the specific laws broken AND the intent to do so. I suppose if you ever accidentally post anything factual and substantive before your banning, I’ll learn about the material from someone who’s worth spending the time to read. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/77 "2016-10-11T02:41:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Why not both? Surely the OP deserves our sympathetic contempt. If he’s an idiot, I’m willing to cut him a break on the “liar” bit-I figure he just can’t help himself. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/78 "2016-10-11T03:43:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Where did I say it’s okay? I was stating facts. It’s the impression I’ve got from your post here, and a few others you’ve made on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/79 "2016-10-11T05:42:26Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I think the case to throw Oliver North into military prison the rest of his natural life was far better than the case against Hillary. We certainly had a case to throw Richard Nixon into prison for a while… Wait, the OP never said anything about throwing her in _prison_, > [@UberArchetype](#): > > … Hillary Clinton is a Lying POS Felon who belongs in Jail … jail is rather a different thing than prison. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/80 "2016-10-11T06:38:14Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > So how y’all enjoying that categorical ignoring I mentioned earlier? > > What you “think” you know and what we now know about Billary’s email server are 2 completely different things. Also, I would ask the “Specialist” if any of the very very few people he is aware of running afoul of the law in this respect were running classified email servers on the Internet. But I don’t have to, because the the answer is “no,” not even close. Same as the difference between what North and Billary did - not even close in many respects, including the specific laws broken AND the intent to do so. I don’t have a subscription to your newsletter, so I have no idea what special information you may have. Have you seen these e-mails? I didn’t think so. How much experience do you have with OPSEC? None? I wouldn’t have guessed that. Let’s see, Major North, in his capacity as an officer of the USMC, did sell advanced weapons systems to the enemies of the United States. He then pocketed a part of the profits and used the rest to help fund paramilitary groups that Congress explicitly forbade be funded with government money. First, we have theft of United States money … I’m surprised you didn’t know that was illegal. Then we have violation of the US arms embargo against Iran, definitely illegal. Destruction of of government documents … that’s called obstruction of justice. Meh … they’ll welcome you with open arms in Mexico after the election … it’s actually really safe there for Americans … you could even get a job teaching English down there … if you’re any good at that they’ll worship you like a god. It is about Hillary being a woman or you would have denied it. It’s funny as anything when you threaten to ignore people, do you know how stupid that makes you look? I didn’t think so. Run along and play now so the adults can talk … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145.md?page=5)