# I've Said it Before.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145 "2016-10-10T13:54:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/101 "2016-10-11T17:44:11Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Interestingly, it’s not even the truth that is in question here. Many truths on this topic are well known and substantiated. It’s an issue of fitness for the position of the President of the United States. Job#1 in that post is National Security. Anyone who wants Billary playing fast-and-loose on that topic is truly an imbecile. Trump is far, far less fit than Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/102 "2016-10-11T17:46:47Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > But to try to convince those of us who are previous to reason that voting Trump is a good idea is a fool’s errand. That was never my intention. I don’t even believe voting Trump is a good idea, myself. Just shedding light on the Billary side. The choice is obviously, yours. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/103 "2016-10-11T17:49:08Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > That was never my intention. I don’t even believe voting Trump is a good idea, myself. Just shedding light on the Billary side. The choice is obviously, yours. Yeah, we get it-You are not saying vote for Trump. You are saying vote _against_ Clinton. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/104 "2016-10-11T17:50:56Z")
We have to protect 'Merika day laboring gardners! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/105 "2016-10-11T17:51:52Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > That was never my intention. I don’t even believe voting Trump is a good idea, myself. Just shedding light on the Billary side. The choice is obviously, yours. So… magic? Don’t vote for Hillary, don’t vote for Trump, it’ll all work out? One of those two is going to be President. Pick one. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/106 "2016-10-11T18:02:44Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > You may or may not choose to recognize the totality of a very complex, far-reaching scenario, based on numerous sources, most ALL of which do not appear here. > > That’s using the critical thinking cap, based not on one article or a few disparate details. > > Think about that. I’ve thought about it. You sure use a lot of words without ever getting around to saying something of substance. You’ve got people in this thread who have clearances or are otherwise involved with ITAR and EAR compliance. But you’d rather stick to a New York Post article written by someone who saw Da Vinci Code too many times. (once) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/107 "2016-10-11T18:07:22Z")
The OP sounds torn between a candidate about whose qualifications he knows nothing and a candidate about whose qualifications there is nothing to know. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/108 "2016-10-11T18:11:54Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Great! I really don’t give a shit who anyone _VOTES_ for. That’s your business. Just help me pit all these apparently willfully ignorant or cognitively dissonant weasels who won’t admit the truth. :smack: The truth is, Clinton was investigated-- twice, she sat through 13 hours of accusations, and no evidence to prosecute was found. No evidence to _prosecute._ So there wasn’t even a trial. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/109 "2016-10-11T18:23:45Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > The people voting Trump don’t give a shit about the right, the GOP, the left, Democrats or really much of anything at all associated with government and politics. Call them stupid, fearful, deplorables, whatever - they don’t care. They don’t care because they _really are_ “stupid, fearful, deplorables”. Scum and fools, all of them. They support him because he’s a vile stupid person, and they are vile stupid people too; so he’s one of their own. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/110 "2016-10-11T18:25:41Z")
Don’t sugarcoat it, **Der** , tell us what you really think. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/111 "2016-10-11T18:49:02Z")
Yes OP, we know there are plenty of voters who are disillusioned with government bureaucracy, ivory towers, and double talk and see Trump as the opposite, and that’s why they like him. But, you started off with “Hillary is a lying POS” and sidestepped when the feedback got too much for you to bear. Now you’re hoping that saying you don’t back Trump will lessen some of the heat you were wanting to provoke in the first place. Not as easy as it looks, is it? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/112 "2016-10-11T18:54:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And what would you call someone who is spoon-fed information from, and stolen by, Russia then repeats it back verbatim without fact-checking it? > [@elucidator](#): > > Just about anything but “Mr. President”. King Played-by-Putin Chump The First ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/113 "2016-10-11T18:56:08Z")
It’s a sad day for me, this morning I awoke to a PM from the OP telling me he’s going to ignore me. Either because I showed his ignorance of classified material handling or that Major North admitted to treasonous felonies in his Congressional testimony. Such vile language too, he must be compensating for something. Cowardice to not admit he supports The Donald for President, and yet still act like he would follow The Donald as a well heeled dog would. It’s one thing to ignore The Truth … but ignoring me … what the fuck is that about? My coffee has gone salty and thin from the tears I’ve shed … so difficult to carry on now that **The Great Über** has denied my existence … my already fragile self-esteem has come crashing down into so many shards of broken crystal just like the dreams of so many of us … [sigh] … If the OP wishes to carry through his implied threat of turning me in to the FBI … here’s the number he should call: 855-835-5324. I do like to be helpful … ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/114 "2016-10-11T19:01:23Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > It’s a sad day for me, this morning I awoke to a PM from the OP telling me he’s going to ignore me. Either because I showed his ignorance of classified material handling or that Major North admitted to treasonous felonies in his Congressional testimony. Such vile language too, he must be compensating for something. Cowardice to not admit he supports The Donald for President, and yet still act like he would follow The Donald as a well heeled dog would. > > It’s one thing to ignore The Truth … but ignoring me … what the fuck is that about? > > My coffee has gone salty and thin from the tears I’ve shed … so difficult to carry on now that **The Great Über** has denied my existence … my already fragile self-esteem has come crashing down into so many shards of broken crystal just like the dreams of so many of us … [sigh] … > > If the OP wishes to carry through his implied threat of turning me in to the FBI … here’s the number he should call: 855-835-5324. I do like to be helpful … Try to feel better, pal. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/115 "2016-10-11T19:53:03Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > It’s a sad day for me, this morning I awoke to a PM from the OP telling me he’s going to ignore me. Either because I showed his ignorance of classified material handling or that Major North admitted to treasonous felonies in his Congressional testimony. Such vile language too, he must be compensating for something. Cowardice to not admit he supports The Donald for President, and yet still act like he would follow The Donald as a well heeled dog would. > > It’s one thing to ignore The Truth … but ignoring me … what the fuck is that about? > > My coffee has gone salty and thin from the tears I’ve shed … so difficult to carry on now that **The Great Über** has denied my existence … my already fragile self-esteem has come crashing down into so many shards of broken crystal just like the dreams of so many of us … [sigh] … > > **If the OP wishes to carry through his implied threat of turning me in to the FBI … here’s the number he should call: 855-835-5324. I do like to be helpful …** There, there. Pour yourself a fresh cup and things will seem better. Now, could you just explain the bolded bit? How’s the FBI fit into this? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/116 "2016-10-11T20:46:58Z")
Here’s the quote: “You should tread lightly. Just a little friendly advice.”; in response to my [Post #69](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19691415&postcount=69). There’s one thing about the procedures on handling classified information is that they are designed to be very easy to follow. It takes a series of careless mistakes to compromise the information. Hillary’s opponents are trying to paint a picture where she’s just plowing through all these safeguards ignoring the abundance of 1/2" tall red lettering basically everyplace on these documents. I just don’t see it, someone who can successfully pull off the murder of her own lawyer ain’t going to making these kinds of foolish mistakes. ETA: And thank you both for your help, I do feel much far better now than the Jim Beam in my coffee can explain … ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/117 "2016-10-11T21:49:25Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > There, there. Pour yourself a fresh cup and things will seem better. > > Now, could you just explain the bolded bit? How’s the FBI fit into this? I have no idea what this idiot watchboy is talking about, since I only see quoted portions of his gibberish in other people’s posts. Likely something he dreamed up in an alcoholic or drug-induced stupor. Probably also the reason he is no longer in the service. Responding to me with a vitriolic PM, in which he started into some FBI bullshit, I image he got a little butthurt after receiving proof of my claim to be who I am or at least was. Maybe he’ll share that with the board? Let’s see if he’s man enough… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/118 "2016-10-11T22:04:55Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > I have no idea what this idiot watchboy is talking about, since I only see quoted portions of his gibberish in other people’s posts. Likely something he dreamed up in an alcoholic or drug-induced stupor. Probably also the reason he is no longer in the service. Responding to me with a vitriolic PM, in which he started into some FBI bullshit, I image he got a little butthurt after receiving proof of my claim to be who I am or at least was. > > Maybe he’ll share that with the board? Let’s see if he’s man enough… :dubious: NM ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/119 "2016-10-11T22:21:13Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > I have no idea what this idiot watchboy is talking about, since I only see quoted portions of his gibberish in other people’s posts. Likely something he dreamed up in an alcoholic or drug-induced stupor. Probably also the reason he is no longer in the service. Responding to me with a vitriolic PM, in which he started into some FBI bullshit, I image he got a little butthurt after receiving proof of my claim to be who I am or at least was. > > Maybe he’ll share that with the board? Let’s see if he’s man enough… :dubious: A Mafioso? A made man? A crossing guard?? Threaten me next! Please! I think you’re a stupid asshole who lives in his parents’ basement (but secretly, since they actually kicked you out long ago). ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145/120 "2016-10-11T22:28:11Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > I have no idea what this idiot watchboy is talking about, since I only see quoted portions of his gibberish in other people’s posts. Likely something he dreamed up in an alcoholic or drug-induced stupor. Probably also the reason he is no longer in the service. Responding to me with a vitriolic PM, in which he started into some FBI bullshit, I image he got a little butthurt after receiving proof of my claim to be who I am or at least was. > > Maybe he’ll share that with the board? Let’s see if he’s man enough… :dubious: Just a thought, and I’m spit-balling here, maybe if you took him off ignore we could stop playing this weird game of “tell him that I said he was a poopy head” when you’re both participating in the thread and could “talk” to each other just fine if you wanted to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-said-it-before/768145.md?page=7)