You mean a married woman. Heaven forbid they are donated to a single woman, a lesbian, or a surrogate mother for a gay couple.
I’m curious (about the official Catholic Church stance on IVF, and why), but I won’t vouch for anyone else. I expect most people are just here to rant against the church.
I’m curous on the churches stance as well, but have a feeling it’s not like it’s some sort of standard across all churches.
If an embryo’s a person, isn’t that like putting an already-born baby in a snowbank to die a natural death? ![]()
No idea. I’m just telling you what they did, as Catholics.
Hey, any excuse to rant against the Catholic church.
That said, I think this particular rant is a worthy one.
As far as legal recourse? I doubt she has any. (sadly)
AFAIK, it’s pretty much just for the ranting, so far. There might be some arguing about the merits of the lawsuit downthread a bit.
Why don’t you go circle the block and try back a bit later?
She appears to have had some work done.
The common sense perspective is that Church doctrine is irrelevant. When the Church holds itself out as a secular employer, it can go pound sand if it wants to retain its churchy rights.
We’ll see if the courts actually pay attention to the lines they read between in Perich.
They must think god is phenomenally dense.
Go ahead and give it a shot, if you’d like. But be prepared for a response of, “That’s fucking stupid logic.” Because in my experience, when the RCC explains why they’re against something, it’s the only phrase that comes to mind.
she could create as much distance between herself and the church as possible. Like everyone who doesn’t buy the inconvenient aspects of official doctrine.
That may be the policy of the RCC but I highly doubt there are any RCC affiliated IVF clinics.
When my husband and I were involved in fertility treatments, one clinic insisted on seeing proof of marriage as we had different last names. It was not a pro-forma thing: it came up when we made the appointment and again during the consult. It was one of the reasons we went with a different clinic.
There might be times when it is a “secular employer”, but I don’t think running a private, religious schools is one of them. Even if she only teaches English, she’s still supposed to be a [Catholic] role model to the students.
There’s no mystery about the Church’s position. It’s right there in the OP’s article. They say:
It’s consistent with recent statements from Church officials complaining about allowing their employees access to contraception via insurance - even employees in non-religious positions, even if the church is not paying for it personally. The article goes on to state that Emily Herx and her lawyer hope to argue that the Supreme Court decision in the Cheryl Perich case doesn’t apply to employees who are not in a “ministerial” position, such as, for example, English Teachers.
I think Herx will, or, at any rate, should prevail on that. I think the Supreme Court erred in not making it clear that it’s possible that not all employees are “ministers”.
I also think that the 98% of Catholic women who’ve decide to ignore the Catholic Church’s position on birth control should start voting with their feet.
I’ve said previously that women would be stupid to go to a Catholic hospital for reproductive health care if it means their medical needs are going to subject to control by a priest (as for example, in the case at St. Joseph’s hospital in Phoenix, where the local church officials threw a fit after after a woman had a medically necessary late-term abortion to save her own life.) It now appears that women would be stupid to work or associate themselves with the Catholic Church in any capacity given that the Church feels it can exert direct control over our life, medical, and monetary choices.
I think the RCC’s position in all these cases is bullshit and women should, in fact, do everything they can to distance themselves from the Catholic Church. Women should never let anyone else dictate their medical choices, for any reason. Period.
Especially during their period!
I’m interested, and don’t really feel the need to rant against the Catholic church, but clearly I’m in the minority. Perhaps a thread in MPSIMS? I’d also be more likely to check the thread there.
A non-Catholic English teacher is supposed to be a Catholic role model? I guess the school only hires Catholic teachers, then?
Yes.
No.
In the Tower of London, large as life . . .
Oh, you.