# IvoryTowerDenizen, this was poor modding **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 3, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156 "2019-01-03T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/21 "2019-01-03T18:35:33Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > It’s just not an issue that they seem to care much about here. I don’t think that’s a fair statement. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/22 "2019-01-03T18:36:55Z")
I get where both sides are coming from, so I’ll throw this out there as a point of reference. Seven months ago ITD gave him a warning for this: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21011952&postcount=143](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21011952&postcount=143) People don’t think his behavioral pattern is ceasing; they would make a more convincing case if there are other examples from the past 7 months that can be provided to support this? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/23 "2019-01-03T18:39:27Z")
Nm ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/24 "2019-01-03T18:50:25Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > I get where both sides are coming from, so I’ll throw this out there as a point of reference. Seven months ago ITD gave him a warning for this: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21011952&postcount=143](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21011952&postcount=143) > > People don’t think his behavioral pattern is ceasing; they would make a more convincing case if there are other examples from the past 7 months that can be provided to support this? There’s three between me and Skywatcher. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/25 "2019-01-03T18:56:46Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I don’t think that’s a fair statement. Obviously, I do. Sexism just does not draw the same kind of mod response as racism does. I think it’s because this board is dominated by older men (like me) and older men just don’t ‘get’ sexism. It doesn’t ping their radar the same way and they are much more willing to let sexism slide rather than do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/26 "2019-01-03T18:58:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > …it does not seem clear to me that it is definitely established that there is no relation between menstruation and BPD… There is no relation between menstruation and the existence or diagnosis of BPD. Some studies have shown a relationship between the _severity and presentation of some symptoms of BPD_ and the menstrual cycle. The individual in question is not ill because of menstruation. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/27 "2019-01-03T18:59:20Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > I assume this practice will now be discontinued, since the totality of a poster’s statements no longer matter. Just the one that is currently being modded. Oh bull fucking shit you’re going to make that assumption. First, there is no indication that past behavior isn’t taken into consideration. Second, it’s clear that many people have a problem with UR, and wait with bated breath for his posts so they can report them - might as well change his avatar to a giant scarlet A. Third, if folks want to increase the weight we place on past behavior when moderating, I’m not sure the mass bannings will be well received, but I do have a list. > [@BigT](#): > > I know I’ve been against being overly reliant on past behavior for modding, but the opposite is a problem, too. It allows provocateur posters to regularly push as close as they can get to the line. Ok, person with nine warnings. > [@madmonk28](#): > > This board has a huge blind spot when it comes to misogyny. They make some noise about doing better when people get upset, but they let it slip back. It’s just not an issue that they seem to care much about here. Just because the board doesn’t reflect your personal view of \*How Things Must Be \*doesn’t translate into a blind spot, nor does it indicate a lack of caring. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/28 "2019-01-03T19:00:40Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I didn’t notice the date but Einstein’s papers are much older. You are free to disregard them. Until better research comes along that invalidates his papers we’ll just continue to use them. That’s how it works in science, when better information comes along that disproves an earlier bullshit notion, we shitcan the bullshit and go with the better information. This is why we don’t immediately ascribe any illness or trouble a woman might experience to hysteria or her “wandering womb.” See how that works? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/29 "2019-01-03T19:03:19Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Second, it’s clear that many people have a problem with UR, and wait with bated breath for his posts so they can report them - might as well change his avatar to a giant scarlet A. Might be a reason for that. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/30 "2019-01-03T19:05:53Z")
Gotta agree with Bone. ITD made her call and she stands by it. Dibble’s thread here is another attempt to game the refs to deal with people he disfavors. Tough. We’re the staff and we discuss and handle things as we see fit. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/31 "2019-01-03T19:10:23Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > …Just because the board doesn’t reflect your personal view of \*How Things Must Be \*doesn’t translate into a blind spot, nor does it indicate a lack of caring. Nor does it indicate the absence of a blind spot or an abundance of caring. If people on the board are constantly pointing to a problem in the community, it’s just possible that a problem does exist. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/32 "2019-01-03T19:12:15Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Seriously, if mods are going to take every single post at face-value with no consideration of a poster’s posting history, we may as well get rid of mods altogether, and just employ some bots to scan threads for naughty words. > [@Calatin](#): > > I assume this practice will now be discontinued, since the totality of a poster’s statements no longer matter. Just the one that is currently being modded. > [@madmonk28](#): > > This board has a huge blind spot when it comes to misogyny. They make some noise about doing better when people get upset, but they let it slip back. It’s just not an issue that they seem to care much about here. I agree that these posts could only have been made by people who have not been paying any attention at all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/33 "2019-01-03T19:17:33Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Gotta agree with Bone. ITD made her call and she stands by it. Dibble’s thread here is another attempt to game the refs to deal with people he disfavors. > > Tough. We’re the staff and we discuss and handle things as we see fit. I find the suggestion anyone expressing their outrage through all the proper channels is somehow trying to game the system weird. I disfavour spammers, does that mean I am gaming the refs when I report them? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/34 "2019-01-03T19:17:57Z")
I think the fact that the mods are getting so defensive is telling. There has always been a problem with misogyny on this board. People started pushing back and there was a big blow up around SA’s banning, but it is slipping back to business as usual (does that demonstrate my having paid enough attention to have an opinion about this board I’ve been a member of for 17 years?). ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/35 "2019-01-03T19:20:22Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > I find the suggestion anyone expressing their outrage through all the proper channels is somehow trying to game the system weird. > I disfavour spammers, does that mean I am gaming the refs when I report them? If a moderator makes a call you don’t like on a particular spam report, and you respond by stating that the moderation isn’t interested in doing anything about spam, then we’re going to look at you sideways. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/36 "2019-01-03T19:31:58Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Third, if folks want to increase the weight we place on past behavior when moderating, I’m not sure the mass bannings will be well received, but I do have a list. “I’ll ban you all! Then you’ll see! Then you’ll ALL BE SORRY!!!” > [@](#): > > I agree that these posts could only have been made by people who have not been paying any attention at all. To what? Mods who like to flex their self-importance and circle the wagons when questioned on anything? Yes we have. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/37 "2019-01-03T19:37:36Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > To what? Mods who like to flex their self-importance and circle the wagons when questioned on anything? Yes we have. You certainly haven’t. And as I’ve said before, anyone who posts that the mods are “circling the wagons” when they express their views loses all credibility as an unbiased critic. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/38 "2019-01-03T19:38:41Z")
I’m not speaking specifically to the (obvious) misogyny, but to the fact that it’s obvious that **Urbanredneck** has a pattern of such comments, and so despite the fact that he’s continuing the behavior, we’re hearing “this post needs to be looked at as a separate comment and not indicative of a trend.” If someone had a history of anti-Semitic comments, and they posted “well, did someone take any of her gold?” as their first comment in a new thread about someone’s Jewish daughter having similar issues," or replace “anti-Semitic” with “racist,” “gold” with “fried chicken,” and “Jewish” with “black,” and I think they’d get more than a note. Combine that with the fact that looking at posting history is what the mods always do when assessing reprimands, and maybe you can see where “oh, maybe _this time_ he meant it in the best way possible,” is fairly disingenuous. I’ve always liked **ITD** , and people can have differing opinions, but the condescension from some of the other mods really isn’t helping. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/39 "2019-01-03T19:47:10Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Oh bull fucking shit you’re going to make that assumption. First, there is no indication that past behavior isn’t taken into consideration. Second, it’s clear that many people have a problem with UR, and wait with bated breath for his posts so they can report them - might as well change his avatar to a giant scarlet A. Third, if folks want to increase the weight we place on past behavior when moderating, I’m not sure the mass bannings will be well received, but I do have a list. > [@Colibri](#): > > I agree that these posts could only have been made by people who have not been paying any attention at all. How much prodding did it take until y’all started paying attention to SA’s posting history? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/40 "2019-01-03T19:47:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **madmonk28** : > > Obviously, I do. Sexism just does not draw the same kind of mod response as racism does. I think it’s because this board is dominated by older men (like me) and older men just don’t ‘get’ sexism. Actually, since this summer, the board has been dominated by a woman. And the moderator who took the action in question here is also a woman. I’m not about to go telling them that they’re the ones who are blind to sexism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156.md?page=3)