# IvoryTowerDenizen, this was poor modding **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 3, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156 "2019-01-03T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/141 "2019-01-05T00:28:14Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > To clarify, It was in reference to the total number. We have several posters with greater. It was offered as an example of the practice taking poster history into consideration, which is always done and continues to be done. > > Sometimes we take harsher action after fewer incidents, and sometimes greater. Depends on circumstances and context. > > Me and JC are simpatico 🙂 And apparently, JC and I are as well. I thought he meant “Number of warnings is “not remotely” relevant” Which makes no sense. 🙂 Manly hugs all around! ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/142 "2019-01-05T02:55:27Z")
I watched another website do this. It took concentrated mod effort, several years, a lot of flameouts of good people, and the boss finally having enough and banning the five or six assholes who started 95% of the fights because, for some reason, those guys aren’t ever motivated to go and throw their shit someplace people would appreciate it. The good people we lost in the interim? Probably could’ve nipped that one in the bud earlier. It will be interesting to watch, if they’re serious, sad if they aren’t, and absolutely hilarious (for me) if they try to half ass it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/143 "2019-01-05T06:00:28Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Ok, person with nine warnings. [Oh SNAP.](https://goo.gl/images/GBBKdE) ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/144 "2019-01-05T06:19:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > [Oh SNAP.](https://goo.gl/images/GBBKdE) [Oh SNAP.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21412926#post21412926) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/145 "2019-01-05T08:49:13Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you know exactly what I meant. Aah, so it’s just me who isn’t allowed to mind-read other posters from their posts, got it. > [@](#): > > No \*you \*are. No U > [@](#): > > No I do not. They are two distinctive things. It is both a poor argument and an argument from emotion. The two are linked, by you posting them sequentially and following up “poor argument” with a list of reasons it was, one of which was “it’s emotional”. What does “It’s an emotional argument” have to do with anything if it doesn’t qualify “poor argument”? It’s a non sequitur otherwise, \*all \*arguments on this board are emotional arguments _since none of us are robots_. > [@](#): > > Its a poor argument because its barely an argument. Its a conclusion. No, it’s a perfectly valid argument - a classic of the form C[sub]aring[/sub]=\>W[sub]arning[/sub]. !W[sub]arning[/sub] ∴ !C[sub]aring[/sub] - it even has a fancy [name](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens). > [@](#): > > In order to reach your conclusion we have to make assumptions about IvoryTowerDenizen’s state of mind. Not at all. Quite the opposite, and that would entail a logical fallacy. I just have to look at ITD’s _actions_. > [@](#): > > You don’t show us how you reached your conclusion: you just stated it. I can’t help it if you can’t follow, or even recognize, one of the _most foundational_ logical argument forms. > [@](#): > > No it doesn’t. There is plenty of evidence that the mods are serious about moderating misogyny _just as they claim_. There has been an enormous shift in board culture over the last two years. Definitely. And I would argue that that happened despite the mods. That they were dragged to it kicking and screaming. My evidence for this is how long it took to ban **Starving Artist** , and how much \*obviously \*misogynist shit like **Redneck** ’s post still gets a pass. And how that emboldens someone like **SlackerInc** to think he can get away with his Elections thread today. Now, it’s a point in favour of your argument that he \*was \*warned. But he’s happily making the same lascivious comments in the ATMB thread he started… > [@](#): > > Things that would not have been moderated in the past get moderated now. Things that may have been tolerated are no longer tolerated. I don’t see non-warnings as “no longer tolerating” anything. It’s not even a slap on the wrist. > [@](#): > > And assuming the worst, especially in regards to the moderator in question, is not backed up by any of the evidence. I tried being charitable to the mod staff on previous contentious issues and got _bubkis_ for it. Why should I trust their moderation on sexism will be any better than their moderation on racism, xenophobia, transphobia, or Islamophobia? I’m not saying they won’t make a stab at it - \*obviously \*they will - but it’s not because they want to do the right thing or feel personally committed. It’s because they feel like a mob forced them into it, which clearly shows in the resentment dripping from posts by \*\*Bone \*\*and **JC**. They seem to feel actual valuable contributing posters are being railroaded by individuals with a grudge, rather than real misogynist trolls being pointed out by responsible Board citizens. That doesn’t indicate they’ve really internalized \*anything \*about what people have been saying about the poisonous atmosphere here. All reaction, no leadership, basically. > [@](#): > > I disagree. It was a clueless post. In saying this, you’ve already concluded it _wasn’t_ trolling. > [@](#): > > It was obviously misogynistic. Then what the fuck are we even talking for? \*That \*should be all that is needed. If it was \*\*obviously \*\*misogynistic, it should be warned. What more needs to be said? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/146 "2019-01-05T08:58:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > **What more needs to be said?** …plenty, obviously. But I doubt that if I said it you would listen. I hope you have a wonderful day. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/147 "2019-01-05T21:30:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > My evidence for this is how long it took to ban **Starving Artist** , and how much \*obviously \*misogynist shit like **Redneck** ’s post still gets a pass. And how that emboldens someone like **SlackerInc** to think he can get away with his Elections thread today. I bet if you check, I was not in any of the UR threads people are griping about (as I said, I generally don’t post in other people’s threads, my bad). And I _never_ lurk. (Can you imagine me just reading and not spouting off? C’mon.) But somehow I just telepathically knew about these posts, right? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/148 "2019-01-05T21:45:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I bet if you check, I was not in any of the UR threads people are griping about (as I said, I generally don’t post in other people’s threads, my bad). And I _never_ lurk. (Can you imagine me just reading and not spouting off? C’mon.) But somehow I just telepathically knew about these posts, right? :rolleyes: Sure, you’ve absolutely earned my trust on everything you say, I \*totally \*believe you never lurk. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/149 "2019-01-05T21:59:04Z")
You are not very observant if you think I could stand to read others’ opinions and not throw in my two cents. Or if you don’t realize that although I feel chagrined to admit it, I rarely post in threads I didn’t start, except movie/TV threads or the omnibus Trump thread. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/150 "2019-01-05T22:06:29Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I bet if you check, I was not in any of the UR threads people are griping about (as I said, I generally don’t post in other people’s threads, my bad). And I _never_ lurk. (Can you imagine me just reading and not spouting off? C’mon.) But somehow I just telepathically knew about these posts, right? :rolleyes: Welcome to the Straight Dope! Might I recommend spending some time reading some old threads, browsing some current ones and get a just get a better feel for the board culture before making too many posts that might get you into hot water. A lot of effort is made here to make everyone feel part of a community, but sometimes it just takes some time for newcomers to find their stride. Again, welcome to the Dope! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/151 "2019-01-05T22:12:39Z")
Is that snark? Or maybe you are on mobile and unable to see that I have been here since 2004 (and I remember TubaDiva from the AOL predecessor in the 1990s). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/152 "2019-01-05T22:15:02Z")
Sure, it’s \*total \*NeverLurker behaviour to post in snark threads on other boards, I hear you. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/153 "2019-01-05T22:21:38Z")
Yeah, posting is not lurking. That’s how it works. If the mods have the ability to see this, I officially renounce any privacy considerations and invite them to out me if I do in fact open other threads I don’t post in, or even look at the list of threads very often. As I keep saying, I am actually admitting self-centered and almost parasitic board behavior I am not super proud of. Strange that you think I am, in so doing, being dishonest! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156/154 "2019-01-05T22:28:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeah, posting is not lurking. The operative word there was “snark”, not “post” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivorytowerdenizen-this-was-poor-modding/827156.md?page=7)