# J.D. Vance is exactly what the rubes in Ohio deserve **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654 "2022-11-09T13:51:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/41 "2022-11-10T13:51:12Z")
To my angry, disappointed Ohio brethren and sistren: I see you, i appreciate you, and i would love to welcome you to Michigan, specifically west Michigan’s Kent and Ottawa Counties. Kent is urban and suburban, if that’s what you’re looking for, while ottawa is rural with plenty of fun on the Lake Michigan lakeshore, if that’s your bag (and it’s where ol’ Happy hangs his hat). Kent is rapidly moving blue (just elected a Democrat to congress for the first time ever-- Jerry Ford’s old seat!) and Ottawa could be if a bunch of you fine displaced Buckeyes decide to make this your home; the city of Holland is already blue-ish, fyi, and is a fun town. We have a great governor, SoS and AG, and abortion is legal. Voting was just made easier by way of proposition. We are no longer gerrymandered by craven Republicans, and as a result what was unthinkable only two years ago has happened: The state legislature is now controlled by Democrats, actually reflecting the will and vote of the people. We’ll even let you keep rooting for OSU, in any manner that )you like, as long as it doesn’t involve burning couches, as that’s already MSU’s “thing.” Move to West Michigan! Live in a blue state while doing your part to shift red and purple counties into the blue column. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/42 "2022-11-10T14:17:10Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s always amusing when someone blames some random person on the internet for causing the end of the world. How and why did you pick up this habit (bordering on obsession) of mining my posts for strawmen? It’s always interesting when somone offers me rent-free living space in their head, but I confess I find it more mystifying than flattering. My post is right there for everyone to see, so how do you calculate that it makes sense to lie about what I said? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/43 "2022-11-10T14:19:29Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I don’t even think the Ohio Democrats or my county’s Democratic party even mentioned them. Given that Tim Ryan and Nan Whaley endorsed both of them, I think the thinking was that there was no point trying to stand in front of a speeding train. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/44 "2022-11-10T14:21:34Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > We are no longer gerrymandered by craven Republicans, and as a result what was unthinkable only two years ago has happened: The state legislature is now controlled by Democrats, actually reflecting the will and vote of the people. How did you accomplish this, and how can Wisconsin follow suit? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/45 "2022-11-10T14:22:44Z")
Put a prop on the ballot a couple years ago that all districts are now drawn by an independent commission. It’s a beautiful thing ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/46 "2022-11-10T14:22:52Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > How did you accomplish this, and how can Wisconsin follow suit? Wisconsin doesn’t have initiatives. Wisconsin is SOL unless there’s a magical change at the US Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/47 "2022-11-10T14:30:05Z")
We did too, it’s just that the Republicans in the State legislature refuse to follow it. > **[Ohio voters in favor of independent redistricting commission](https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2022/09/29/voters-call-for-independent-redistricting-commission-)** > > Ohioans will vote with unconstitutional maps in election. > [@](#): > > Election Day is just over a month away and Ohioans will vote with district maps that were ruled unconstitutional earlier this year. On the plus side, SCOO has shifted to the right a bit, so at least the maps won’t be rule unconstitutional anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/48 "2022-11-10T14:37:30Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Put a prop on the ballot a couple years ago that all districts are now drawn by an independent commission. It’s a beautiful thing 😀 > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > How did you accomplish this, and how can Wisconsin follow suit? > > Wisconsin doesn’t have initiatives. Wisconsin is SOL unless there’s a magical change at the US Supreme Court. 😬 ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/49 "2022-11-10T14:41:48Z")
There are limits to conscience rights and they do not apply to every emergency situation. Although I strongly support women’s rights and am not personally devout, I think conscience rights of doctors are not trivial, and often apply to decisions made in many medical specialties. Some doctors practice in war zones and these can result in difficult situations or improper requests. Doctors often subspecialize and many do not routinely perform everything a general specialist might. This may or may not excuse them in emergencies, which tend to vary and where details matter. Conscience rights are limited in reasonable ways, for example, by other people being appropriate and available in a timely manner, for example. I do not wish to (and won’t) discuss this further in this (unrelated) thread, but would consider looking at other threads regarding them. The supreme law of our land is the Canadian Constitution. It contains many clauses, all of them subject to the first one - things must be reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/50 "2022-11-10T14:46:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > On the plus side, SCOO has shifted to the right a bit, so at least the maps won’t be rule unconstitutional anymore. It’s not just that. There will be a do-over of the maps for the 2024 elections, and they’re going to be able to make them even worse now that they don’t even have to pretend to try to get Maureen O’Connor’s approval. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/51 "2022-11-10T15:03:19Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Maureen O’Connor Possibly the last respectable Republican in Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/52 "2022-11-10T16:30:06Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > In spite of what the pundits had been saying, it looks like the overturn of Roe v. Wade did have an impact on the midterms. Of course it did. Guys just don’t get it, but most women who’ve ever had a late period during a time when they were sexually active and not trying to conceive a child does. I had a discussion with my next door neighbor, who’s an older woman and a registered independent ( I know this because a voting postcard got delivered to my house by accident once). She was upset over Roe being ended because of something that happened we she was younger and pregnant- her doctor told her that the child she was carrying was at high risk for a birth defect. She chose to NOT to terminate the pregnancy and the child was fine, but she was glad that she had the CHOICE and upset that it was being taken from other women. I’m not sure that men get this. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/53 "2022-11-10T16:41:20Z")
All I’m seeing is that white women voted overwhelmingly R this go around, and Democrats lost support among women in general. I’m not sure women get this either. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/54 "2022-11-10T16:57:32Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I’m not sure women get this either. The ones that get it _really, really_ get it. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/55 "2022-11-10T17:21:50Z")
Haven’t seen stats, but all women my social and professional surround voted not-R. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/56 "2022-11-10T17:28:03Z")
I still find it hard to believe that Florida and Ohio are solid-red states. Ten years ago there was every indication they’d go the way of Colorado and Virginia and become light-blue states permanently for good. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/57 "2022-11-10T17:31:47Z")
The Cuban population of Florida has always leaned to the right but Hispanic voters in general are starting to drift towards the right - which should not be a surprise to anyone who’s worked with and known a lot of them, especially men in working class trades. This whole “LatinX” thing is a good example of the white left totally misreading them. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/58 "2022-11-10T18:05:58Z")
The blue collar Democrat is gone. If anything, Ohio is going to get redder before it gets bluer. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/59 "2022-11-10T19:02:12Z")
That certainly seems to be the trend, dammit. > [@DoctorJ](#): > > Since we here in Kentucky saw fit to send Rand Paul back to Washington, Vance’s win means that at least we might not have the biggest douche in the Senate anymore. > > I mean, it’ll be close. Not as long as Ted Cruz is still breathing. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654/60 "2022-11-10T19:06:09Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > > [@DoctorJ](#): > > > > Since we here in Kentucky saw fit to send Rand Paul back to Washington, Vance’s win means that at least we might not have the biggest douche in the Senate anymore. > > > > I mean, it’ll be close. > > Not as long as Ted Cruz is still breathing. Josh Hawley would like a word . . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-d-vance-is-exactly-what-the-rubes-in-ohio-deserve/974654.md?page=4)