# J K Rowling and the trans furore **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 16, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795 "2020-06-16T18:05:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 228
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4546 "2020-10-04T20:52:41Z")
> [@YWTF](#): > > Probably about as many as the typical ally. I go to Trans Pride every year there’s not a pandemic on. ---
**Author:** ![YWTF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/d07c76/32.png) [@YWTF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWTF)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4547 "2020-10-04T20:54:34Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I go to Trans Pride every year there’s not a pandemic on. You are probably not representative of the typical ally whose allyship is mostly Internet-based. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4548 "2020-10-04T20:55:22Z")
Here you go. First trans pride march was held in London last year: > **[Hundreds parade through London for first ever Trans Pride march](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-trans-pride-march-parade-lgbt-soho-square-a9106016.html)** > > 'It's all about being together in public and keeping each other safe and uplifted - it's the one day we’re not outcasts' ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4549 "2020-10-04T21:00:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yeah, “I’d totally support queer rights, but I don’t like your phrasing!” is a pretty common refrain from straight people who don’t actually support queer rights. It’s not the phrasing that’s the problem, it’s the fact they want to take away women’s rights. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4550 "2020-10-04T21:02:20Z")
That’s another one straight people love to use to justify opposing queer rights. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4551 "2020-10-04T21:08:44Z")
> [@YWTF](#): > > If what @raventheif is saying is true, then we’re putting transwomen in harms way by sending them to female prison. They are leaving one rapey place for an even more rapey place. Someone should call Gov Newsome and let him know he’s endangering transwomen by increasing their exposure to predatory females. I expect Gov Newsome does not see female-on-female (or female-on-male, for that matter) sexual assault as ‘true rape’ either. This is interesting, though: > Among heterosexual males, an estimated 3.5% reported being sexually victimized by another inmate. In comparison, among males who were bisexual, 34% reported being sexually victimized by another inmate. Among males who were homosexual or gay, 39% reported being victimized by another inmate. That’s awfully high. Why don’t gay and bisexual men also get a law to protect them? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4552 "2020-10-04T21:09:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That’s another one straight people love to use to justify opposing queer rights. Example? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4553 "2020-10-04T21:12:17Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Example? [Here’s one.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4549) ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4554 "2020-10-04T21:19:29Z")
🙄 Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4555 "2020-10-04T21:22:53Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I expect Gov Newsome does not see female-on-female (or female-on-male, for that matter) sexual assault as ‘true rape’ either. It’s “Newsom.” If you’re going to slander someone, at least get his name right. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4556 "2020-10-04T21:33:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It’s “Newsom.” If you’re going to slander someone, at least get his name right. He doesn’t care about people like me, why the heck should I care what his name is? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4557 "2020-10-04T21:36:44Z")
Not even people like me, women who are way more unfortunate and vulnerable than me. But they aren’t important enough to care about. ---
**Author:** ![YWTF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/d07c76/32.png) [@YWTF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWTF)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4558 "2020-10-04T21:37:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It’s “Newsom.” If you’re going to slander someone, at least get his name right. This is not the sick burn you want it to be. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4559 "2020-10-04T21:37:41Z")
Do you even know who he is? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4560 "2020-10-04T21:44:05Z")
What other queer movement has forced an existing group–one that has struggled for thousands of years for basic human rights _and is still fighting for those rights_–to turn what it means to be a member of that group on its head _for the sole purpose of making a tiny minority feel better about itself_? The movement for gay rights were about making gay folks safe from discrimination and violence and making it possible for them to marry and raise families the same as anyone else. Gay rights did not require anyone to share anything. No one pushed for the lexicon to be completely altered to suit gay folks concerns. Transwomen are demanding that ciswomen give up the words “woman” and “female”. There has never been a _successful_ social movement with this kind of chutzpah. It is strange that so many trans allies are surprised that there would be pushback on this. I understand why y’all want to flex and act like only hateful people would be bothered by this, but it seems like a rather common sensical thing to be bothered by. No one wants to give up their names. To wit, you are up here flexing on @DemonTree for mispelling “Newsome”. Well, I don’t want someone telling me that “female” means “people who identify as female”, when my whole life it is been used to identify people who possess my biological reality. Names are important. People who take it upon themselves to fuck up people’s names should expect a lot of resistance and anger. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4561 "2020-10-04T21:45:59Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The claim was that men don’t get criticized as hard as women do when they express anti-trans bigotry, and the “evidence” in favor of this was a comparison between the most successful living author in the world, and a has-been whose last big role was a supporting character in _Shrek the Third_ > > This is not a useful or illuminating comparison. It most certainly doesn’t make any sort of case that women get more criticism than men in this area. Women cancelled this week: > > **[DAME JENNI MURRAY: How I was cancelled by the BBC I adore...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8799931/amp/DAME-JENNI-MURRAY-cancelled-BBC-adore.html)** > > DAME JENNI MURRAY: For me, there were no hugs, only a few tears and I simply walked away from the sometimes suffocating embrace of Auntie, with whom I had spent nearly 50 years of my life... > **[Craig asked to step down as Myslexia judge after signing Rowling support letter](https://www.thebookseller.com/news/mslexia-asks-amanda-craig-step-down-judge-over-concern-rowling-letter-threatens-climate)** > > Amanda Craig has been dropped as a competition judge by women’s writing magazine Mslexia over her signing of a letter to the Times in defence of J K Rowling. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4562 "2020-10-04T21:48:14Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Gay rights did not require anyone to share anything. No one pushed for the lexicon to be completely altered to suit gay folks concerns. Are you serious?! ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4563 "2020-10-04T21:49:44Z")
Can you give me some examples of the gay agenda being reflected in contemporary, everyday speech? Instead of saying “Are you serious?!”, help me see the world through your eyes. Cuz obviously we aren’t seeing the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4564 "2020-10-04T22:00:42Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > The movement for gay rights were about making gay folks safe from discrimination and violence and making it possible for them to marry and raise families the same as anyone else. Gay rights did not require anyone to share anything. No one pushed for the lexicon to be completely altered to suit gay folks concerns. That’s not what the homophobes said. They argued… well, they argued exactly what you all are arguing in here. That we were stealing the concept of marriage from them. That they’d have to share bathrooms and changing rooms with us, and that represented a direct sexual threat. And, of course, there’s _so few of us,_ so why are we going to all this bother? > [@monstro](#): > > Transwomen are demanding that ciswomen give up the words “woman” and “female”. No, they aren’t. Nobody anywhere is telling you, or **YWTF** , or **DemonTree** that you can’t call yourself women, or females. You know, if you want to convince people that your concerns here aren’t primarily driven by hate, maybe talk to your sister about her defense of the “Transphobe” t-shirt? Because she’s over there arguing that “gender critical” and “transphobe” are basically the same thing, and that’s not doing wonders for the optics of your side. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/4565 "2020-10-04T22:06:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, they aren’t. Nobody anywhere is telling you, or **YWTF** , or **DemonTree** that you can’t call yourself women, or females. You can still call yourself gay, but we’ve redefined the word to include straight people. It’s now bigoted to campaign for gay marriage, please use ‘marriage for people with penises’ in future. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795.md?page=227) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795.md?page=229)