# Jackals of the Dope, I pit you! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708 "2007-04-11T22:11:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/421 "2007-04-14T07:43:35Z")
[QUOTE=Heffalump and Roo] If the Pit thread helped, it was probably in spite of the “jackals”, not because of them… [/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly. Sleep well, **Heffalump**. The world would be a better place if more were like you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/422 "2007-04-14T07:47:50Z")
I am going to have another shot of 101 and reread Forsyth’s _The Day of the Jackal_ ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/423 "2007-04-14T07:50:24Z")
[QUOTE=Klaatu] Much obliged. I have already read both books ten times though. [/QUOTE] That’s okay, just have a couple more shots of _101_ and you’ll be so in the moment you won’t even remember having read them before. (I keed, I keed…drinking responsibly and in moderation is my motto. I don’t always abide by it…but it is my motto!) 😉 And on preview: 😃😃😃 Well played, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/424 "2007-04-14T08:18:48Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] And now I will tell you to soundly go fuck yourself, since I think you’re completely full of shit. [/QUOTE] It appears obvious that you’d never exchanged (or even read) posts with **SA** before, because if you had, you’ve know as much since the very first thread he started posting in. IIRC, it had to do with gay-rights. Might as well have had the word ‘asshole’ tattooed on his forehead ever since. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/425 "2007-04-14T10:37:31Z")
[QUOTE=shamrock227] Since we can’t rehash the thread here let’s just say if someone you loved and trusted did something awful to you, let’s say they slapped you in public. And someone came here and started a thread about how wonderful it is and how much fun he is having repeatedly slapping his wife in public. Wouldn’t you be upset? You know how it feels. The pain, the embarrassment, the betrayal. Wouldn’t you post about how awful it is to get slapped and what a terrible person the OP is for doing it? [/QUOTE] Sure, and I said as much. However, I didn’t feel the need to use terms like ‘toilet-whore’ to make the point. I would have preferred that nobody had felt that need. See the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/426 "2007-04-14T10:39:35Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] This is what got your dander up. **Autoclys** and **Quiddity Clusterfuck**? It’s no wonder that people are telling you the pit isn’t for you. [/QUOTE] Well, I guess then if you think that calling someone a ‘toilet-whore’ isn’t that bad, I should call you that. Frequently. According to you, it’s a walk in the park on a sunny day. So how was your day, toilet-whore? ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/427 "2007-04-14T10:42:40Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] By ‘substantial debate,’ I meant your seeming refusal to debate logically against the criticism put towards you in this thread. [/QUOTE] But, **Auto** , this is a debate about emotions and the expression thereof. How can one argue ‘logically’ against the sort of ‘criticism’ that some people have tossed at me other than to say ‘no, I’m not’ or perhaps ‘I know you are but what am I’ ? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/428 "2007-04-14T10:50:04Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] But, **Auto** , this is a debate about emotions and the expression thereof. How can one argue ‘logically’ against the sort of ‘criticism’ that some people have tossed at me other than to say ‘no, I’m not’ or perhaps ‘I know you are but what am I’ ? 😛 [/QUOTE] Could always answer the question I posed to you a ways back about what constitutes proper pit behavior and what constitutes inhumanity? At least Autolycus has tried to give us an idea. You’ve just been avoiding the question. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/429 "2007-04-14T11:02:48Z")
[QUOTE=Harborwolf] Could always answer the question I posed to you a ways back about what constitutes proper pit behavior and what constitutes inhumanity? At least Autolycus has tried to give us an idea. You’ve just been avoiding the question. [/QUOTE] There was an example. Calling someone a ‘toilet-whore’ is just plain hateful and is hardly likely to inspire someone to change for the better. All it is is a pile of vomited bile. Tell me why you think such a thing is justified. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/430 "2007-04-14T12:01:05Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] Well, I guess then if you think that calling someone a ‘toilet-whore’ isn’t that bad, I should call you that. Frequently. According to you, it’s a walk in the park on a sunny day. So how was your day, toilet-whore? [/QUOTE] Your ability to see shades of grey is truly remarkable. > [@Autolycus](#): > > So, because I got riled up over what you deem to be perfectly acceptable pit behavior, then you think you have the authority to tell me to fuck off back to another forum? You’re a waste of time. I think it was more of a suggestion than an order. I mean, if I tell someone, “Go to Hell!” it doesn’t mean I think I have sent them there. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/431 "2007-04-14T14:33:56Z")
This is the problem with posting from the other side of the world. By the time you can respond the world has gone on. Oh well. I’ll just edit a bit and post anyway. [QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] I suggested that Auto had also gone over the top. He himself has admitted as much. You might wish to get with the program. [/QUOTE] Which. is. my. point,. that. you. make. a. tiny. suggestion. about. an. OP. which. goes. far,. far. beyond. anything. in. the. thread. which. he. cited. as. the. basis. for. his. hate-filled. attack. on. us,. fellow. Dopers. From your much earlier post: > [@](#): > > Watching the train wrecks (there have for sure been more than just the one of the last two days) is spooky - people get horrible, vicious, scary-mean. I can’t help but picture a mob scene in which people keep hurling stones with all their might - not content the victim is wounded and bleeding, they want the individual crushed to a pulp. > > I can’t imagine where people manage to find that much venom in themselves to muster that much hate - on a frippin’ message board! It’s distressing and depressing. And yes, Giraffe, I know people are people, even here. That’s what’s depressing. What’s. the. difference. here? Why. is. a. hate-filled. cry. for. violence. against. a. specific. group. warrant. just. a. suggestion. that. it. may. be. too. much,. but. we’re. getting. all. depressed. about. human. nature. for. words. which. aren’t. nearly. as. violent? As. we. can. see. below,. about. the. worst. thrown. at. **MizGrand**. is. that. she’s. a. bitch.. > [@Autolycus](#): > > I have no beef with you TokyoPlayer, but I cant let your coward comments stand. From your OP > [@](#): > > Fuck you, you pharisetical cowards. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You’ve called me (I’m one of the people on the thread in question) and others cowards but you can’t let my comments stand. Yeah, you said mistakes were made and you went too far, but how much are you backing off? Are you saying that you don’t wish us to be violated with metal implements, but the rest of the comments stand? Are we cowards or not? And why is that you can call others cowards but it’s too much to call you one? (After reading more of your latest posts, it seems that you are backing off the OP. and it doesn’t look like you are calling people cowards. If you aren’t calling me one, then I won’t call you one. You also did finally did give posts, so it’s a mute point anyway.) **Autolycus** , I went through and looked up the posts you cited. Here are a few of them. From post [Quote=176] You really are a piece of shit, aren’t you? [/quote] This is a jackal? This is the type of response which inspired you to go postal? Oh my god, they are all ganging up on her and kicking the shit out of her. Someone actually was so meeeeeeaaaan and called her a piece of shit. That’s got to create lasting damage. Why didn’t the Mods stop the tread at this point? That’s going too far, even in the pit. Can you imagine? Calling someone a piece of shit? Does his or her mother know about this? Should we tell them? Shouldn’t we make some sort of rule against this? I’m concerned! What if an anonymous poster called me a piece of shit? What if 10 of them did? What if 30 did? [Quote=234] Yeah, her casual attitude towards net security, and how she responds here pretty much guarantees she will be busted, probably sooner than later. I bet she is glued to this thread, and after reading all this, she is probably freaking out. Sucks to be you now, huh? eta: Sucks to be your husband too, you heartless bitch! [/quote] Holy shit, someone called her a bitch! Call out the hall monitors. Just why won’t we all sing Kumbala? [Quote=244] Yet you find time for an affair. And since you’re a married woman carrying on with a cop, you could be ruining his career. I also have a difficult time believing that it’s not just about the money for you. If that were the case, you wouldn’t have brought that up at all. Jesus, you are a piece of work. I hope you get what you deserve, and it’s not a lifetime of eternal happiness. [/quote] Mommy! Someone said they hope I’m not going to have eternal happiness! Mommy! Mommy! Mommy! [Quote=311] Wow. RSSchen, you really are a self-centered bitch. [/quote] Fuck, there’s that bitch word again. No wonder you had to wish we were all fucked up the ass really, really hard. [Quote=494] My neck hurts from all the headshaking I’ve been doing over this trainwreck–you’d think I’d just leave it at that, but there was something nagging at me from a while back and the cognitive dissonance wouldn’t leave me alone. See, in this recent thread, Our Heroine wishes to take a vacation from her Zoloft in order to enjoy some sex, but in this thread from a while back she castigates her husband because he wants her to go off the meds in order to enjoy some sex. So if she wants to bust a nut and have fun it’s all good and perfectly okay to go off the meds, but if he wants the same thing he’s a dirtbag. So not enough of these: :rolleyes: Yup, another vote for therapy and GROWING THE FUCK UP! [/quote] Call out the troops, people are using rolled eyes in a **pit** thread! I’m not going to cut and paste all the cited posted, and you did include the infamous one which was slapped down by a Mod, but the majority is just shit. > [@](#): > > Now, let’s give some example types of posts. > > 1. Helpful “dude, you are stealing and doing crack AND fucking hookers? Your actions make me angry, but get help” > > 2. Angry-helpful “grrrr… people like you tick me off, but I’ll give you advice” > > 3. Angry-unhelpful but justified" “how dare you do all that and then have the nerve to ask advice on fucking coffee, you asshat. I hope you go to jail” > > 4. Angry-unhelpful-judgemental “Fuck you, you piece of shit asshat. I hope you rot in hell forever” > > Out of these four kinds, only the final one really irritates me and it’s only that one that I would call “jackal behavior,” If Type 4 comes after several posts of type 3, then it’s even more angersome. And this is where you have to look at context. I’m not going to argue about the categories, but let’s say that after a number of Type One and Type Two responses, someone comes along with a Type 3. Banana then starts to whine about how much his sister is better off having money stolen because if he’s in a happier mood, then he’s more pleasant to be around and his sister is stupid anyway. At that point, if a bunch of Type Fours come along, then I’d have to say that Banana gets whatever is coming his way. Let’s say that someone out there has a brother who does the same type of shit to her. He steals her money for his crack habit. If she gives a Type four post, I’d have to agree with her. This is the internet, and you get to blow off steam. I’ll give you credit, **Autolycus** , you’ve admitted going off too far, certainly a crime I’m committed before. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/432 "2007-04-14T16:50:38Z")
Is this still going on?! Hasn’t anyone called anyone else a Nazi yet? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/433 "2007-04-14T17:08:16Z")
Ooh, good thinking - that’s how we’ll kill this one. **Autolycus** , you’re obviously trying to put your jackbooted, Nazi feet all over the necks of Pitizens you don’t like. That oughta do it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/434 "2007-04-14T18:05:59Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] It appears obvious that you’d never exchanged (or even read) posts with **SA** before, because if you had, you’ve know as much since the very first thread he started posting in. IIRC, it had to do with gay-rights. Might as well have had the word ‘asshole’ tattooed on his forehead ever since. [/QUOTE] Wrong as usual, sheepdip. It had to do with the practice of calling people phobic who weren’t, in point of fact, phobic. It’s just that I’m a strict constructionist, don’cha know. And, if you’ll recall, I quite pointedly stressed throughout that thread, and I believe my subsequent posting history bears this out quite readily, that I have no objection whatsoever to gay people or gay rights, and that in actual point of fact, some of my best friends are gay. 😛 I have hoped from time to time that we might get to be friends, given that I’d come to feel you weren’t entirely characterized by biased, wrongthinking, hotheaded drunkenness as I originally thought, however crap like this makes me realize what a hopelessly biased, illogical, and wrongheaded dolt you truly are. I do congratulate you, however, on the lucidity you managed to marshall in your last post which is noticibly in contrast to the rage-filled and almost decipherable gobbledegook I’ve seen you ejaculate in the past. Cheers, buttpipe. (Where’s that finger smilie?) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/435 "2007-04-14T18:18:59Z")
Not all Nazis wear jackboots. Some wear wing tips. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/436 "2007-04-14T18:20:38Z")
[QUOTE=Harborwolf] Could always answer the question I posed to you a ways back about what constitutes proper pit behavior and what constitutes inhumanity? At least Autolycus has tried to give us an idea. You’ve just been avoiding the question. [/QUOTE] Not to speak for **Quiddity** , but in my case the primary motivation isn’t to define the boundaries of inhumanity; rather, it’s to call attention to the fact that certain people are far too ready to go for the jugular and pile on and try to cause damage to the psyche of someone whose behavior has particularly outraged them. Sometimes if people tell me I’m being an asshole in some regard, it causes me to examine my behavior and thinking and try to determine if they have a point. Other times, I think it’s someone who just doesn’t know what they’re talking about, like **Mindless Fury** for example, and I merrily go my way. I don’t look at it as though it’s up to me to set definite boundaries and I don’t much imagine Quiddity does either. This is why we don’t allow ourselves to get bogged down in trying identify which posts constitute inhumanity and which don’t. The answer lies more in the judgement, maturity and sense of right and wrong on the part of the offenders than it does on me. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/437 "2007-04-14T18:21:36Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] I have hoped from time to time that we might get to be friends, given that I’d come to feel you weren’t entirely characterized by biased, wrongthinking, hotheaded drunkenness as I originally thought, however crap like this makes me realize what a hopelessly biased, illogical, and wrongheaded dolt you truly are. [/QUOTE] But really, what else would you expect from a person who chooses to name himself ‘Red Fury’. It’s kind of like expecting sweetness and light from someone called ‘Puppy Murderer’ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/438 "2007-04-14T18:22:36Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] Is this still going on?! Hasn’t anyone called anyone else a Nazi yet? [/QUOTE] Waiting on **elucidator** , perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/439 "2007-04-14T18:27:59Z")
Ah, yeah, the conservative gadfly who pricks the hypocrisies of the left. My fantasies are just as lame, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/440 "2007-04-14T18:28:34Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] But really, what else would you expect from a person who chooses to name himself ‘Red Fury’. It’s kind of like expecting sweetness and light from someone called ‘Puppy Murderer’ 😃 [/QUOTE] Indeed. I’ve found the moniker **Mindless Fury** to be much more apt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708.md?page=23)