# Jackals of the Dope, I pit you! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708 "2007-04-11T22:11:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/601 "2007-04-17T21:11:21Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] The overall problem seems to be that certain people are adopting the view that I can’t criticize other for meanness when if I engage in it myself, whereas my position is that it’s a matter of context, degree and circumstance (i.e., did the recipient approach me and ask for it, or was someone dragged into the Pit for evisceration). [/QUOTE] You and I have made that point _ad infinitum_. At some point, you have to acknowledge that some people are simply incapable of comprehending the idea of degree. Maybe they’re the sorts that can only manage to grok black-and-white thinking. It’s either that or they’re being disingenuous. In either case, continuing to attempt to pound the point into their thick skulls will only end up frustrating and annoying you. But YMMV 😉 All I can say is that I don’t think much of people who can’t (or, more likely, won’t) grasp simple concepts like these. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/602 "2007-04-17T21:20:25Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] You and I have made that point _ad infinitum_. At some point, you have to acknowledge that some people are simply incapable of comprehending the idea of degree. Maybe they’re the sorts that can only manage to grok black-and-white thinking. It’s either that or they’re being disingenuous. In either case, continuing to attempt to pound the point into their thick skulls will only end up frustrating and annoying you. But YMMV 😉 All I can say is that I don’t think much of people who can’t (or, more likely, won’t) grasp simple concepts like these. [/QUOTE] or that even when we comprehend idea of degree and all, it **still** is pretty fucking ironic, hypocritical etc. for some one to criticize behavior in others when they, themselves engage in it. Some of us comprehend both concepts, other merely one. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/603 "2007-04-17T22:16:36Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] You and I have made that point _ad infinitum_. At some point, you have to acknowledge that some people are simply incapable of comprehending the idea of degree. [/quote] What you’re calling differences of degree, I’m calling semantics. One person says “toilet whore,” but you say, “Oh, you must be on your period!” or “You’re too stupid to read.” I could do a cut and paste montage of all your nasty little jabs, but I think you know what behavior I’m talking about. I don’t see how one is really qualitatively meaner than the other. One uses cruder language, but the intent is exactly the same-- to hurt the feelings of your opponent, to belittle that person. Can you deny that? > [@](#): > > Maybe they’re the sorts that can only manage to grok black-and-white thinking. It’s either that or they’re being disingenuous. See, we think it’s YOU who’s being disingenuous by saying there is some difference between your meanness and the meanness of those you condemn. The mode expression is the same, but the intent? Identical. I challenge you to prove otherwise. If you can, I will gladly concede my point and apologize to you. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/604 "2007-04-17T22:50:52Z")
Oh, and allow me to anticipate your next argument, which is that MizGrand was dragged into the Pit, while I and the other people you’ve insulted were fighting with you and therefore deserve your meanness, which is Starving Artist’s defense. First, everyone is provoked to anger and hostility by different things. Some people find the kind of things MizGrand said very, very provocative, offensive, and worthy of their vocal outrage. If you do not agree, that’s fine, but people obviously took it every bit as personally as you take the things that incense you. It seems to be hairsplitting to say that what evokes nastiness from you warrants that nastiness, but what evokes it for others makes them stupid, bad people. Second point: when you take the moral high ground and call other people jackals for being nasty, it is not unreasonable for people to expect you not to behave in that manner yourself. It’s called practicing what you preach. When you make exceptions for yourself with tenuous basis, expect to get called on it with great fervency. ---
**Author:** ![MizGrand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cdc98d/32.png) [@MizGrand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MizGrand)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/605 "2007-04-18T10:30:45Z")
I didn’t have any problem whatsoever with the name calling - it could be construed as well-deserved. The problem with my trainwreck was precisely this: PEOPLE WERE THREATENING TO OUT ME IRL TO MY HUSBAND! That’s the only fucking thing that was wrong with the thread. I took my beatings, and quite graciously, I think. Can we please just leave it alone? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/606 "2007-04-18T10:39:52Z")
gasp, the thread was slowing down, what to do?!?! ---
**Author:** ![threnodyangelfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@threnodyangelfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threnodyangelfire)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/607 "2007-04-18T10:44:56Z")
[QUOTE=MizGrand] I didn’t have any problem whatsoever with the name calling - it could be construed as well-deserved. The problem with my trainwreck was precisely this: PEOPLE WERE THREATENING TO OUT ME IRL TO MY HUSBAND! That’s the only fucking thing that was wrong with the thread. I took my beatings, and quite graciously, I think. Can we please just leave it alone? [/QUOTE] **MizGrand**. Honestly. If you had half a brain you’d continue to pay out 18 year olds because you think they’re ugly, and pretend this thread never existed. ---
**Author:** ![MizGrand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cdc98d/32.png) [@MizGrand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MizGrand)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/608 "2007-04-18T12:22:30Z")
[QUOTE=threnodyangelfire] **MizGrand**. Honestly. If you had half a brain you’d continue to pay out 18 year olds because you think they’re ugly, and pretend this thread never existed. [/QUOTE] T’was my last post, believe me. This thread is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/609 "2007-04-18T12:47:09Z")
[QUOTE=MizGrand] T’was my last post, believe me. This thread is ridiculous. [/QUOTE] no. you responded to a thread that was half way to being off the front page. and then responded again after **two** people pointed out to you that you were keeping it alive. ‘twas my last post’ while posting again - fuck, there aren’t enough :rolleyes: in the world. Seriously, get help. and just as seriously, \*\*stop \*\* fucking posting to this thread \*\*stop \*\* bringing up references to “train wrecks” in other threads. **you** personally, are keeping the story alive. **you** personally, are making sure no one forgets the original theads, or fails to recognize your new name. just stop. really. if others bring it up to you in other threads, that’s on them. But your continual posting on the subject is contra-indicated for some one who wants to ‘move on’, ‘grow’, ‘get past this’, ‘allow the issue to fade/die off’. just stop. ---
**Author:** ![bbs2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@bbs2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbs2k)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/610 "2007-04-18T13:51:58Z")
Jesus fucking Christ! STOP! Check my history, go ahead. I didn’t even have a single post involved in the initial threads related to the\*\* MizGrand \*\*hoopla. I didn’t need to say anything because everyone else already had and the psycho bitch in question just didn’t fucking recognize anything outside her little box of being “happy”. So when everything got locked and closed, I felt all the better for it; good riddance to stinking terrible trash, now hopefully I don’t have to think about her anymore and she can fade back into SDMB anonymity. My first post even RELATED to this was in this thread way back in the first page with post [#49](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8455496&postcount=49) , asking why Auto is even bringing this up again (albiet in the semi-defense of **MizGrand** ). Then things began to settle down again. The first time I even posted anything negative about MizGrand was in a newly locked thread because someone couldn’t stop bringing up the incident, someone couldn’t let it go, someone [can’t stop fucking getting enough attention!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8470985&postcount=93) I explained in that thread why I posted why I posted in a thread that had fell off the BBQ Pit front page, even while this thread was near the top: I wanted to post my anger in a thread related to **MizGrand**. This thread had ceased to even relate to those old threads, rather other Pit issues and a few other posters not even related to **MizGrand**. So now that **Giraffe** closed the last thread related to her pretentious self she has now decided to come to this one to once again make sure that we’re all talking about her again. Congratulations, you’ve hooked me. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/611 "2007-04-18T15:02:56Z")
No no no – you don’t understand – she’s not coming in here willingly; she’s being DRAGGED IN BY JACKALS so they can slaver over her quivering corpse some more. Sheesh. Get with the program, willya? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/612 "2007-04-18T15:50:40Z")
All I have to say is, based on the recent postings, the SDMB jackal defense rests its case. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/613 "2007-04-18T16:20:13Z")
OK, now that we’re down to nothing but arguing about who should let the thread die, I’ll step in and perform a mercy killing, jackal-style. :: skulks out of the shadows and bites thread on the head :: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708.md?page=30)