# Jackals of the Dope, I pit you! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708 "2007-04-11T22:11:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/61 "2007-04-12T00:36:50Z")
[QUOTE=Scissorjack] Jesus, better a jackal than a Pomeranian. [/QUOTE] This Pomeranian is not forcing you to read his posts, and leave Jesus out of this! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/62 "2007-04-12T00:40:01Z")
I was blissfully unaware of this whole fooferaw until it began taking up about half the first page of the Pit. So I opened one of the threads, which linked to another, which linked to yet anotherā€¦ When I saw what the general subject matter was, I realized straightaway that there was nothing useful I could have said either way, so I didnā€™t. Trainwrecks being trainwrecks, however, I kept on reading far past the point where anything new or original was being said. In the end, I think I can truthfully say that I completely wasted my time. And now, I guess, Iā€™ve wasted a bit of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/63 "2007-04-12T00:46:11Z")
[QUOTE=athelas] Cite? Granted, I didnā€™t read through all 10+ pages of the thread, but from what Iā€™ve seen, she got only what she deserved - near-universal criticism when opinions were solicited. [/QUOTE] Problem is that it went far beyond ā€˜criticismā€™ and to call what was there and has been in other such recent threads ā€˜criticismā€™ or ā€˜just voicing my opinionā€™ is ludicrous. It was balls-out, vicious, hate-filled vituperation. > [@](#): > > Polycarp > **Starving Artist** : Amazingly, we see eye-to-eye. Itā€™s not at all pretty to see ourselves as mirror images of those we find offensive for their condemnation of some groups of people, when we ourselves are condemning other groups ā€“ even the condemners. I agree, Polycarp, but I donā€™t think thereā€™s an issue with criticizing the folks who take their criticisms way, waaaaay over the top. Unless in so doing, the criticizer utilizes the same amount of venom. So, perhaps, Auto, > [@](#): > > Fuck you, Jackals of the Dope. You perverse, twisted, malevolent, sorry shells of a shithead. My anger with you burns like the pubic hair on Satanā€™s ballsack. Your pathetic behavior serves no purpose; it does nothing except spread a cloud of suffering and hate. You fling the poop of human failure into the far reaches of the net, and then bathe in it. Shit-monkeys, judgmental turd burglars, digusting digital impsā€¦ might be a petard upon you now find yourself hoisted. Watching the train wrecks (there have for sure been more than just the one of the last two days) is spooky - people get horrible, vicious, scary-mean. I canā€™t help but picture a mob scene in which people keep hurling stones with all their might - not content the victim is wounded and bleeding, they want the individual crushed to a pulp. I canā€™t imagine where people manage to find that much venom in themselves to muster that much hate - on a frippinā€™ message board! Itā€™s distressing and depressing. And yes, **Giraffe** , I know people are people, even here. Thatā€™s whatā€™s depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Wallet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e99b99/32.png) [@Wallet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallet)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/64 "2007-04-12T00:50:52Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] This Pomeranian is not forcing you to read his posts, and leave Jesus out of this! šŸ˜‰ [/QUOTE] Iā€™m sorry, but why did _you_ feel the need to bring up Jesus in your OP? (smiley face notwithstanding) Do you have a hard-on for Jewish people, or did you just see Passion of the Christ too many times? ---
**Author:** ![Orual](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orual](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orual)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/65 "2007-04-12T00:50:56Z")
_psst Autolycus_ Iā€™m pretty sure Polycarp is a guy. Your viewpoint has merit. Your presentation needs work. For myself, I am heartily ashamed of taking part in that mess. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/66 "2007-04-12T00:53:24Z")
[QUOTE=Wallet] Iā€™m sorry, but why did _you_ feel the need to bring up Jesus in your OP? (smiley face notwithstanding) Do you have a hard-on for Jewish people, or did you just see Passion of the Christ too many times? [/QUOTE] I brought him up in connection with the Pharisees, as I was reminded of them when I posted my overly-enthusiastic OP. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/67 "2007-04-12T01:09:26Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] When the boardā€™s behavior flies directly in the face of the boardā€™s alleged philosophies, it seems to me to be the most germane point of all. [/QUOTE] Well, the boardā€™s explicitly stated mission is fighting ignorance, and yet you continue to post. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/68 "2007-04-12T01:12:05Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] Problem is that it went far beyond ā€˜criticismā€™ and to call what was there and has been in other such recent threads ā€˜criticismā€™ or ā€˜just voicing my opinionā€™ is ludicrous. It was balls-out, vicious, hate-filled vituperation. [/QUOTE] Have you not read the sticky at the top yet? > [@](#): > > The BBQ Pit is the forum for **flaming** other members, complaining about the board, its moderators or their moderating actions, or for **unleashing reasoned vitriol too heated for the other forums**. Although the standards of discourse are significantly looser than the other forums, it is not a free-for-all. **Think before flaming, and be prepared to live with what you post.** Iā€™ve bolded the important bits for you. Fighting ignorance and all that. sinjin ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/69 "2007-04-12T01:15:49Z")
When I think ā€œgosh, who can really rally the troops here at the SDMB and get us all to behave and be nice to each other?ā€ the first name that comes to mind is **Autolycus** :rolleyes: Hereā€™s a suggestion, dude: next time you get an idea for a post, hold off for a bit before posting it. Go make a snack, watch some porn, take a nap, read the newspaper, look at some YouTube videos, go to bed, come back three days later and then see if you still really want to post it. If you still do, then cool - itā€™s probably going to be a goodā€™n. But if you donā€™t allow for any time between thought-keyboard-submit, well that is when people start wanting to beat you about the head. Remember, ā€œitā€™s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/70 "2007-04-12T01:19:09Z")
**Autolycus** , my poodle. You know I think youā€™re the beeā€™s knees, but lately youā€™ve been sort ofā€¦Junior Mod-y. Itā€™s kind of annoying. I donā€™t want to ignore you, 'cus lots of times you say really funny shit. But the whole ā€œThis board would be way better if you guys would just _listen to meeeee_ā€ thing has kind of lost itā€™s charm. Youā€™re not the only person doing this lately, but youā€™re certainly the most fun, so I think it would be swell if you would just cut it out. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/71 "2007-04-12T01:26:08Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Well, the boardā€™s explicitly stated mission is fighting ignorance, and yet you continue to post. [/QUOTE] I donā€™t agree with **Starving Artist** regarding politics, but heā€™s far from ignorant and he does have a point. I like to consider myself to be tolerant and open minded, and I was just as guilty as everyone else for flying off the handle. He was the first one that pointed out that she probably had emotional problems and to go a little easy on her. He was probably right. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/72 "2007-04-12T01:26:09Z")
**alice** speaks some wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/73 "2007-04-12T01:38:34Z")
[QUOTE=Caridwen] He was the first one that pointed out that she probably had emotional problems and to go a little easy on her. [/QUOTE] When dealing with addicts/alcoholics, one must be careful not to shield them from the consequences of their own actions. Having to deal with the reality created by what theyā€™ve done is generally one of the most therapeutic actions such people can take. While the vituperation coming from some corners was, in my opinion, so extreme that it reflected more on the person posting than on the postee, I also noted lots of wise and loving counsel offered up. Itā€™s like my Grandma Mercotan always said: Lifeā€™s a mixed bag. [sub]Actually she said ā€œwhen your dad was little he fell off the roof, but landed in a pile of cow poop, so it wasnā€™t so badā€.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/74 "2007-04-12T01:42:19Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] I canā€™t imagine where people manage to find that much venom in themselves to muster that much hate - on a frippinā€™ message board! Itā€™s distressing and depressing. And yes, **Giraffe** , I know people are people, even here. Thatā€™s whatā€™s depressing. [/QUOTE] As one uncanonized saint to another, might I recommend **rec.pets.cats**? I understand theyā€™re still taking membership applications. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/75 "2007-04-12T01:42:53Z")
[QUOTE=sinjin] Iā€™ve bolded the important bits for you. Fighting ignorance and all that. sinjin [/QUOTE] Well, here; in all your enthusiasm to bold, you maybe missed these bits: > [@](#): > > The BBQ Pit is the forum for flaming other members, complaining about the board, its moderators or their moderating actions, or for unleashing **reasoned** vitriol too heated for the other forums. Although the standards of discourse are significantly looser than the other forums, it is **not a free-for-all**. Think before flaming, and be prepared to live with what you post. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/76 "2007-04-12T01:57:05Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] Well, here; in all your enthusiasm to bold, you maybe missed these bits: > [@](#): > > The BBQ Pit is the forum for flaming other members, complaining about the board, its moderators or their moderating actions, or for unleashing **reasoned** vitriol too heated for the other forums. Although the standards of discourse are significantly looser than the other forums, it is **not a free-for-all**. Think before flaming, and be prepared to live with what you post. [/QUOTE] Well actually **reasoned** was bolded in my post. And the mods did let it go on for 10 pages so it couldnā€™t have been that over the top. I guess the part Iā€™m missing is why you even read the pit much less post here if you find it so offensive. You remind me of a Salvation Army lady trying to save the sinners like in Guys and Dolls. ETA no offense to any real SALā€™s ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/77 "2007-04-12T02:04:37Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] I got honestly fed up with UVPS, unnecessarily vitriolic pile-on syndrome. I thought (apparently mistakely) that many other people would be too. [/QUOTE] Logic flaw=pitting dopers for piling on (i.e., agreeing in unison against someone) hoping dopers will agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/78 "2007-04-12T02:09:47Z")
Donā€™t you all get it? While I do believe that \*\*Autolycus \*\* is sincere in his beliefs here, what he really wants is people to turn UVPS into a meme, like ā€œrecreational outrage.ā€ Iā€™m on to you, **Auto**. Oh yes. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/79 "2007-04-12T02:14:07Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Donā€™t you all get it? While I do believe that \*\*Autolycus \*\* is sincere in his beliefs here, what he really wants is people to turn UVPS into a meme, like ā€œrecreational outrage.ā€ Iā€™m on to you, **Auto**. Oh yes. [/QUOTE] My narcissistic tendecies would not be averse to such a development šŸ˜ƒ Are you on to me in the Mafia thread too, because I doubt it šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708/80 "2007-04-12T02:19:17Z")
[QUOTE=sinjin] Well actually **reasoned** was bolded in my post. And the mods did let it go on for 10 pages so it couldnā€™t have been that over the top. I guess the part Iā€™m missing is why you even read the pit much less post here if you find it so offensive. You remind me of a Salvation Army lady trying to save the sinners like in Guys and Dolls. ETA no offense to any real SALā€™s [/QUOTE] Oh come on. There are some very witty Pit threads with creative insults. They are about strangers or about family or about inanimate objects or about bureaucracies. However when it comes to directly Pitting a fellow Doper, one would (at least I would) hope that ā€˜reasonableā€™ would not have to be imposed from on high. I am just not buying that the worst of human behaviour ought be tolerated just because itā€™s the Pit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackals-of-the-dope-i-pit-you/399708.md?page=5)