# Jackson Accused Again **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 18, 2005, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517 "2005-08-18T01:51:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/21 "2005-08-18T13:37:43Z")
When are these dolts going to learn? It’s the prosecutions responsibility to prove something happened. Making a claim, having absolutely no evidence, and relying solely on the jury to “believe what I say happened” is not going to cut it. Maybe he did get molested, maybe he didn’t. But unless you have some proof besides your memories of what happened, stop wasting everyone’s time. ---
**Author:** ![velvetjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5f9b8f/32.png) [@velvetjones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velvetjones)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/22 "2005-08-18T13:40:13Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > If Jackson does get charged again, there better be photographs of his cock in the boy’s mouth or it’ll never fly. Didja have to put that image in my head? Eeeeewwwwww. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/23 "2005-08-18T13:45:43Z")
> [@Campion](#): > > There are statutes of limitation for civil suits, as well as criminal suits. Which is why the “repressed memory” “it only just came to light” thing is critical. Depending on the jurisdiction, the statute for personal injury (i.e., battery, sexual assault, etc.) is likely one to four years. So if a man alleges he was molested 21 years ago, the statute has run. (Note that some jurisdictions also have a “minor’s rule,” namely, that a statute of limitation for an assault on a minor does not begin to run until the minor turns 18.) > > But bottom line, it sounds to me like the repressed memory is an attempt to do an end run around the statute. The clock begins to run from the moment you discover the injury - not from when the injury happens. That’s how the “repressed memory” thing may come into play. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/24 "2005-08-18T14:32:01Z")
**Bricker** , are you aware of any cases where a repressed memory turned out to be demonstratably true? I don’t mean simply convincing a jury it was true, but good evidence was discovered that the memory was accurate? I’m just asking from the top of your head, I’m not asking you to take the time to research it or anything. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/25 "2005-08-18T15:53:09Z")
> [@ouryL](#): > > So they did not ask Willy himself… :dubious: According to Jackson’s attorney, they do have a statement from Willy. So yes, they asked WIlly himself. But, you have to wonder, can Willy Nelson really remember something that happened 20 something years ago? Better yet, can Willy remember what he smoked yesterday? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/26 "2005-08-18T17:14:06Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Has **any** “repressed” memory ever been proven to be accurate? Repressed memories are apparently an accepted phenomenon. At least _consciously_ repressed memories are. _Recovered_ memories are a wholly different story though. Lots of good information at [Skpedic.com](http://Skpedic.com) > [@Skepdic.com](#): > > Most psychologists accept as fact that it is quite common to consciously repress unpleasant experiences, even sexual abuse, and to spontaneously remember such events long afterward. Most of the controversy centers around recovered memories during repressed memory therapy (RMT). Critics of RMT maintain that many therapists are not helping patients recover repressed memories, but are suggesting and planting false memories [http://www.skepdic.com/repressedmemory.html](http://www.skepdic.com/repressedmemory.html) [http://www.skepdic.com/repress.html](http://www.skepdic.com/repress.html) [http://www.skepdic.com/falsememory.html](http://www.skepdic.com/falsememory.html) And here’s an excellent [CSICOP.org](http://CSICOP.org) article by noted the research psychologist, Elizabeth Loftus: [http://www.csicop.org/si/9503/memory.html](http://www.csicop.org/si/9503/memory.html) ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/27 "2005-08-18T17:17:15Z")
Willie doesn’t remember being Willie. Hell, he keeps forgetting to plug the [hole](http://www.aiusa.com/rbennett/Media/willie1.jpg) in his guitar. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/28 "2005-08-18T17:18:01Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Anybody want to make it a class action suit? I’m having trouble thinking of an action with less class. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/29 "2005-08-18T17:26:13Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > **Bricker** , are you aware of any cases where a repressed memory turned out to be demonstratably true? I don’t mean simply convincing a jury it was true, but good evidence was discovered that the memory was accurate? > > I’m just asking from the top of your head, I’m not asking you to take the time to research it or anything. No, not “repressed” as such. I know of two cases in which prosecutions were permitted after the normal statute of limitations would have expired, under an injury/discovery of injury theory, and which developed solid extrinsic evidence of abuse - photos, in one case, and the DNA test of the child conceived as the result of the incest, in another case. But neither were classic “I never knew this happened until my therapist helped me discover…” Neither of those went to trial. In both, dad/step-dad decided not to roll dice with a jury. Since the pleas waived all defects, the SoL problem was never tested at the appellate level. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/30 "2005-08-18T17:57:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Recovering… recovering… recovering… > > I WAS MOLESTED BY MICHAEL JACKSON 20 YEARS AGO TOO! Yeah, well 20 years ago, I was molested by Michael Jackson, Ronald Reagan _and_ Willie Nelson, simultaneously! This thread is helping me to remember… **Ka-ching!** ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/31 "2005-08-18T18:01:56Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Recovering… recovering… recovering… > > I WAS MOLESTED BY MICHAEL JACKSON 20 YEARS AGO TOO! It just totally sank in— and of course I don’t remember it, because it’s repressed! Channelling … channelling … channelling … NO! I WAS MOLESTED BY SHIRLEY MACLAINE 300 years ago…when she was Miachale Jackson five years from now in a parallel dimension! Now, I know that’s hard to believe, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true! I was also **Sampiro** at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/32 "2005-08-18T18:07:02Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I’m having trouble thinking of an action with less class. > > Daniel -Rings the bell- You have without a doubt stated this most succinctly with the most class to boot. Take an extra condom from the fishbowl on your way out, and thank you for playing Name That Pervert !! Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/33 "2005-08-18T18:19:07Z")
I thought the thread title was “Jackson Accursed Again.” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/34 "2005-08-18T19:35:23Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Yeah, well 20 years ago, I was molested by Michael Jackson, Ronald Reagan _and_ Willie Nelson, simultaneously! This thread is helping me to remember… Of course… now I remember, they were together when Jackson nabbed me too! I couldn’t put a face to Reagan, but I knew that ‘that fellow with the bad breath and the beard there is Willie Nelson’. And if I’m not mistaken Johnny Carson (of the $400 million estate he’s too dead to protect fame) was there. I’d thought I’d dreamt it, but it wasn’t a dream! It was a place! And you - and you - and you - and you were there. But you couldn’t have been, could you? ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/35 "2005-08-18T20:02:40Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > …Seems to me like the guy is out to get money. Either that or his attorney is a complete idiot. Why the choice? It looks to me like the plaintiff with the repressed memory & his attorney are both idiots - and are both out to make a buck. _Bahrain_’g passage of a tort reform package that includes a loser pays provision, this bullshit will continue ad infinitum. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/36 "2005-08-18T20:03:06Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’d thought I’d dreamt it, but it wasn’t a dream! It was a place! And you - and you - and you - and you were there. With the cash I’d be spendin’ I’d buy everything they’re vendin’ If I only had a multimillion-dollar nuisance settlement. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/37 "2005-08-18T21:01:47Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Yeah, well 20 years ago, I was molested by Michael Jackson, Ronald Reagan _and_ Willie Nelson, simultaneously! This thread is helping me to remember… > **Ka-ching!** Let’s see. Reagan is deader than a doornail (MHRIP), Teflon Jacko is broke, and celebrities keep throwing charity fundraisers to keep Willie out of debtor’s prison. You may want to keep your day job. Me? I was molested by Bill Gates. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/38 "2005-08-18T21:11:50Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Me? I was molested by Bill Gates. Memory clearing… sweet Jose, that _WAS_ Bill Gates wearing that Reagan mask! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/39 "2005-08-19T06:18:14Z")
Wait…it’s all coming back to me…I was molested by Bill Gates, Donald Trump AND Martha Stewart! ---
**Author:** ![AngelicGemma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@AngelicGemma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelicGemma)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517/40 "2005-08-19T10:06:27Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait…it’s all coming back to me…I was molested by Bill Gates, Donald Trump AND Martha Stewart! Oh! Me too! Yeah, I’m just beginning to remember… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jackson-accused-again/317517.md?page=3)