# James O'Keefe is at it again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 23, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052 "2014-05-23T00:48:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/21 "2014-05-23T17:33:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > My confusion lies in the comparison of activists making a documentary who have not done anything explicitly wrong to a fraudulent charlatan who lied very clearly and explicitly about them by pestering them until they gave in to meeting with him (through a fake contact), then found a snippet that they said and took it out of context to the point where a 10-minute call where the primary message was “We cannot take the money unless we know who is offering it” was turned into “Yeah, we want that money”. > > O’Keefe is scum. Saying they “deserve each other” is like saying that a petty thief deserves prison rape that gives him AIDS and a ruptured colon. Let me be clear, here. O’Keefe is the prison-rape-with-AIDS-and-colon-rupturing in this analogy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/22 "2014-05-23T17:42:17Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Let me be clear, here. O’Keefe is the prison-rape-with-AIDS-and-colon-rupturing in this analogy, right? Well, if you want to honor O’Keefe with a comparison far above his status, sure. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/23 "2014-05-23T18:01:13Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug. Maybe, but I prefer heroin. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/24 "2014-05-23T18:14:54Z")
Can somebody explain what the point O’Keefe was even attempting to make here? He was pretending that he had backers for an anti-fracking movie. I’m assuming most of these movie people are publicly opposed to fracking. So what did O’Keefe prove? That these people follow their beliefs? If he had gone around offering these same people a million dollars to make a pro-fracking movie and they had accepted, he’d have shown they were hypocrites - but that’s not what happened. I guess O’Keefe’s supposed point was that these people were allegedly willing to accept money from Middle Eastern sources. So? Lots of people do business with Middle Easterners. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/25 "2014-05-23T18:20:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Can somebody explain what the point O’Keefe was even attempting to make here? He was pretending that he had backers for an anti-fracking movie. I’m assuming most of these movie people are publicly opposed to fracking. So what did O’Keefe prove? That these people follow their beliefs? > > If he had gone around offering these same people a million dollars to make a pro-fracking movie and they had accepted, he’d have shown they were hypocrites - but that’s not what happened. > > I guess O’Keefe’s supposed point was that these people were allegedly willing to accept money from Middle Eastern sources. So? Lots of people do business with Middle Easterners. I’m with you. Even the edited version of this thing doesn’t seem in any way scandalous. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/26 "2014-05-23T18:41:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Can somebody explain what the point O’Keefe was even attempting to make here? He was pretending that he had backers for an anti-fracking movie. I’m assuming most of these movie people are publicly opposed to fracking. So what did O’Keefe prove? That these people follow their beliefs? > > If he had gone around offering these same people a million dollars to make a pro-fracking movie and they had accepted, he’d have shown they were hypocrites - but that’s not what happened. > > I guess O’Keefe’s supposed point was that these people were allegedly willing to accept money from Middle Eastern sources. So? Lots of people do business with Middle Easterners. “Middle-Eastern” is shorthand for oil money. He’s trying to prove (and understand, I’m using a very loose definition of the word “prove” that fell off a truck) that all environmentalists everywhere are actually in Big Oil’s pocket, possibly in bed with terrists as well, and that in turn means eco-friendly is bad and fracking is all-American and good because THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/27 "2014-05-23T19:23:13Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Maybe, but I prefer heroin. If you like heroin _more_ than confirmation bias, well…I guess you really really like heroin. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/28 "2014-05-23T19:25:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Do I need an actor with an opulent lifestyle and an energy consumption worthy of Galactus telling me that the Earth is in danger from human excesses? Perhaps not, but many do, apparently they won’t listen to anybody else. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/29 "2014-05-23T19:34:43Z")
> [@andros](#): > > If you like heroin _more_ than confirmation bias, well…I guess you really really like heroin. Never touch CB. I know the nature of the beast too well to be suckered by it. But be my guest if you wish to see it everywhere you look … wait a minute, there’s a name for that, isn’t there? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/30 "2014-05-23T19:38:22Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Can somebody explain what the point O’Keefe was even attempting to make here? He was pretending that he had backers for an anti-fracking movie. I’m assuming most of these movie people are publicly opposed to fracking. So what did O’Keefe prove? That these people follow their beliefs? Fracking, O’Keefe would have us believe, would end our dependence on OPEC. There’s so much magical oil in shale that we could all bathe in it, but OPEC’s trying to keep true patriots from knowing the truth. Nobody wants to actually stop fracking to improve the environment, it’s actually just to keep America suckling at the Middle Eastern teat. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/31 "2014-05-23T20:08:23Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > “Middle-Eastern” is shorthand for oil money. He’s trying to prove (and understand, I’m using a very loose definition of the word “prove” that fell off a truck) that all environmentalists everywhere are actually in Big Oil’s pocket, possibly in bed with terrists as well, and that in turn means eco-friendly is bad and fracking is all-American and good because THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES. It sounds like they made a hidden camera video, which always looks suspicious, declared it controversial and hypocritical and hoped no one noticed that it was neither. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/32 "2014-05-23T20:10:10Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Never touch CB. Its like watching a coke-head deny his habit when there is white powder still on his nose. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/33 "2014-05-23T20:32:43Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Its like watching a coke-head deny his habit when there is white powder still on his nose. I can HANDLE it, man! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/34 "2014-05-23T21:02:32Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > It sounds like they made a hidden camera video, which always looks suspicious, declared it controversial and hypocritical and hoped no one noticed that it was neither. Well, yeah. Because the people they’ll be frantically forward-emailing that story to over the next fourty years won’t. And these people vote. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/35 "2014-05-23T23:05:17Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I can HANDLE it, man! Ah, there’s nothing like wit! And that certainly is nothing like wit. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/36 "2014-05-23T23:33:14Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Ah, there’s nothing like wit! And that certainly is nothing like wit. If your ability to recognize wit is comparable to your astounding lack of self-awareness, I’m not too concerned. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/37 "2014-05-23T23:41:57Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Its like watching a coke-head deny his habit when there is white powder still on his nose. [bites powdered-sugar donut] Mmph? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/38 "2014-05-24T01:46:48Z")
> [@andros](#): > > If your ability to recognize wit is comparable to your astounding lack of self-awareness, I’m not too concerned. And if you really believe that was wit then … oh shit we could keep this up till kingdom come. Flyting I believe is the old term. Life is too short and at my back I always hear, etc. God speed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/39 "2014-05-24T01:58:35Z")
We could go faster, but we keep hoping you’ll catch up. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052/40 "2014-05-24T02:12:10Z")
Actors should shut up because they’re stupid and rich and they’re only good for being your monkey. Dance, monkey, dance! They are no different from people who actually lie to you when they try to draw attention to a matter of social importance that concerns them. I already know everything every actor knows so why do I always hear about them talking about things? Fuck you, actors! You dumb! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-is-at-it-again/689052.md?page=3)