# James O'Keefe vs. CNN **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552 "2017-02-23T14:38:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/101 "2017-02-28T15:17:47Z")
If I drink the Kool-Aid I might think that way too. Keep the Faith. Don’t give in to Doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/102 "2017-02-28T15:19:05Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I guess I haven’t drunk enough left-wing Kool-Aid. Maybe one day … no u ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/103 "2017-02-28T15:20:36Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > If I drink the Kool-Aid I might think that way too. > > Keep the Faith. Don’t give in to Doubt. Meh, you pointed to that report of the AG of California, don’t complain that the evidence here shows that you willfully ignored the main conclusions of the AG so as to get your stupid one. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/104 "2017-02-28T16:14:42Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > If I drink the Kool-Aid I might think that way too. > > Keep the Faith. Don’t give in to Doubt. I don’t need faith. I have evidence. Actual evidence, not alternative evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/105 "2017-02-28T16:15:42Z")
I guess it’s working … ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/106 "2017-02-28T16:17:24Z")
Goddamn, FP. You really are impressed with your second-grade playground intellect. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/107 "2017-02-28T16:22:34Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Goddamn, FP. You really are impressed with your second-grade playground intellect. He’s not applying his intellect-he’s shooting spitwads, and every time someone reacts with a disgusted “What the fuck?” he considers it a win. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/108 "2017-02-28T16:32:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He’s not applying his intellect Well, he’d have to establish it first and that’s, like, _hard_. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/109 "2017-02-28T16:42:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He’s not applying his intellect-he’s shooting spitwads, and every time someone reacts with a disgusted “What the fuck?” he considers it a win. That’s actually not far from the truth. Personally I’d just as soon stick with substantive discussions of the issues. But some people aren’t up to anything more than shooting spitwads, and if that’s where they insist on taking things, I sometimes roll with that too. [ETA: even there, I do stick pretty closely to what’s actually true, though.] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/110 "2017-02-28T16:44:54Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That’s actually not far from the truth. > > Personally I’d just as soon stick with substantive discussions of the issues. But some people aren’t up to anything more than shooting spitwads, and if that’s where they insist on taking things, I sometimes roll with that too. The “but he did it first!” defense, as it does here, on the playground generally means, “He didn’t really do it, but I know I’ll look bad if I admit that, so I’m gonna say he did it first and that I was just retaliating.” When 7 year olds do it, I know it’s developmentally appropriate. If it’s developmentally appropriate for you, you’re violating the board’s signup agreement. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/111 "2017-02-28T16:58:57Z")
You have to deal with people based on what they’re like, not based on what you’d like them to be. In your case for example, I would prefer to deal with the high-minded guy in favor of substantive discussion that you so enjoy pretending to be in ATMB discussions. (Especially as, unlike so many of your pals here, you’re not a complete moron.) But in every other forum you’re a smug snarky prick, and acting as if you weren’t just wouldn’t work well at all. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/112 "2017-02-28T17:05:17Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You have to deal with people based on what they’re like, not based on what you’d like them to be. > > In your case for example, I would prefer to deal with the high-minded guy in favor of substantive discussion that you so enjoy pretending to be in ATMB discussions. (Especially as, unlike so many of your pals here, you’re not a complete moron.) But in every other forum you’re a smug snarky prick, and acting as if you weren’t just wouldn’t work well at all. Well then the evidence shows that you wanted to pass a report by the AG of California that was in reality devastating to your points. In reality it was not supporting them. So your effort here was to mislead others \*\*or \*\*you just were too dumb to see that in reality it did not help your case. Choose your poison. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/113 "2017-02-28T17:31:40Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You have to deal with people based on what they’re like, not based on what you’d like them to be. We have a fair amount of evidence regarding what James O’Keefe is like. We don’t have to fantasize that he’s some crusading investigative journalist trying to uncover the truth, whatever it may be. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/114 "2017-02-28T17:42:10Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You have to deal with people based on what they’re like, not based on what you’d like them to be. > > In your case for example, I would prefer to deal with the high-minded guy in favor of substantive discussion that you so enjoy pretending to be in ATMB discussions. (Especially as, unlike so many of your pals here, you’re not a complete moron.) But in every other forum you’re a smug snarky prick, and acting as if you weren’t just wouldn’t work well at all. Your sneering at me reminds me of a parable: > [@Kahlil Gibran](#): > > Said a skunk to a tube-rose, “See how swiftly I run, while you cannot walk nor even creep.” > Said the tube-rose to the skunk, “Oh, most noble swift runner, please run swiftly!” For real, if most folks don’t think me a “smug snarky prick,” but a supercilious halfwit like you does, I have a real problem being upset over that :). ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/115 "2017-02-28T17:51:50Z")
Hard to know what “most folks” think of you. One problem is that it’s very heavily influenced by ideological alignment, and you’ve conveniently chosen a forum where you’re comfortably and firmly ensconced in the majority position. Perhaps if you got out a bit more … but I suspect you would be afraid to risk that. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/116 "2017-02-28T18:49:11Z")
Okay, this is like, way boring now. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/117 "2017-02-28T20:54:24Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Okay, this is like, way boring now. True. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/118 "2017-02-28T22:43:21Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > One problem is that it’s very heavily influenced by ideological alignment, and you’ve conveniently chosen a forum where you’re comfortably and firmly ensconced in the majority position. It’s an easy problem to examine, if it exists - go find a right-wing majority forum, register, post one of your arguments word-for-word there and privately send out links inviting your opponents in this thread to register and post their word-for-word responses. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/119 "2017-02-28T22:47:29Z")
I can’t be bothered and don’t care either way. Remember, we’re discussing public opinion of LHOD, not me. But if you’re interested, you go find a right wing forum and post the same arguments as you post here and see how they go over and whether people think you’re a “highly intelligent individual …”, as you claim to be. I realize that you’re not LHOD either, but the same phenomenon should hold. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552/120 "2017-02-28T22:57:54Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yip, F-P is defending the evil liar again since he’s on the conservative side. > > Once you lie, everything you say is discredited. Just because one biased reporter went and talked to conservatives who were using the same tainted information to try and pretend something really happened, doesn’t change anything. > > But you are the type who defends evil people, pretending they aren’t evil. Because you don’t seem to know the difference between good and evil, frankly. :smack: So by that standard no one can be trusted on anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-okeefe-vs-cnn/780552.md?page=7)