# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/261 "2013-02-20T03:45:33Z")
But what if god called you up and wanted a good time? Would that pose a dilemma for you? At the very least, you could give him some phone sex. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/262 "2013-02-20T03:45:52Z")
> [@hrhomer](#): > > Irony! For shame! You cribbed my joke. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/263 "2013-02-20T03:46:06Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ No thank you. I stay a virgin until I am married which could very well be never. I find the notion that you may never breed far more comforting then any of the Psalms. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/264 "2013-02-20T03:51:44Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Hate to quote myself but, do you have an answer for me? I gave you one already. Look for it. Its there. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > But what if god called you up and wanted a good time? Would that pose a dilemma for you? At the very least, you could give him some phone sex. None of that out of me for anyone, thank you. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you two always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/265 "2013-02-20T03:57:47Z")
> [@Beastly\_Rotter](#): > > [How To Increase Your Word Power.](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trull) > > Hoyden. Sweet. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/266 "2013-02-20T03:57:50Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I don’t believe that the Lord died for us so that people could have their way with others. God disagrees: > [@Matthew 5:39 KJV](#): > > But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. That’s exactly what it means. Have you ever actually read the Bible? And you aren’t just ignoring some OT rule about stoning those who lust after other people’s spouses (hint), but one of the core teachings of the Christ you profess to follow. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/267 "2013-02-20T04:01:18Z")
^^^ So you are saying that if a person was trying to rape me, I should just sit there and let them do it? I don’t think so. God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/268 "2013-02-20T04:03:13Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > None of that out of me for anyone, thank you. 🙂 🙂 🙂 So you would willfully defy god. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/269 "2013-02-20T04:04:29Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I gave you one already. Look for it. Its there. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > None of that out of me for anyone, thank you. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > God bless you two always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > Holly Sorry missed it, not used to the^^^ thing So why did you post the MM was going to Hell? Your answer to me was “He could” let her into his grace. Are claiming to know the mind of God? Are you not casting judgement on others? Do you know that this is a sin in itself? Sorry I am back at CINO with you **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/270 "2013-02-20T04:09:27Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ So you are saying that if a person was trying to rape me, I should just sit there and let them do it? I don’t think so. I’m not saying anything - Jesus did. What do you think He meant? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/271 "2013-02-20T04:17:42Z")
^^^ All that I can tell you is that Matthew 18:6 says it all for me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > So you would willfully defy god. The good thing is that God would never ask of me such a thing. > [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Sorry missed it, not used to the^^^ thing > > So why did you post the MM was going to Hell? Your answer to me was “He could” let her into his grace. Are claiming to know the mind of God? Are you not casting judgement on others? Do you know that this is a sin in itself? > > Sorry I am back at CINO with you > > **Capt** I said that he could send her downward because she went ahead and did herself in anyways. God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/272 "2013-02-20T04:19:41Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > The good thing is that God would never ask of me such a thing. If he could command someone to kill his son, then I don’t find it out in left field that he could ask you for a hand job. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/273 "2013-02-20T04:22:42Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > So you are saying that if a person was trying to rape me, I should just sit there and let them do it? I don’t think so. Well, as **Zakalwe** noted, what do you think Jesus meant when he said _“resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also”_? In other words, if somebody’s doing evil to you (such as smiting or raping, for example), you’re not supposed to resist them. How can you even pretend to be a Christian and not know that Jesus said this? ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/274 "2013-02-20T04:25:33Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > **James Otto Sweet Heart** is an anagram for > > **Tote Sweet Toe Jam Rash** > …just sayin’ Thanks, wetword99. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/275 "2013-02-20T04:32:27Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, as **Zakalwe** noted, what do you think Jesus meant when he said _“resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also”_? > > In other words, if somebody’s doing evil to you (such as smiting or raping, for example), you’re not supposed to resist them. > > How can you even pretend to be a Christian and not know that Jesus said this? If resisting is wrong I pray that the Lord does forgive me, but I don’t think that it is in several cases. God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/276 "2013-02-20T04:37:32Z")
Holly, You said you believed she was sent to hell to paraphrase, that is why you were pitted, that is distinctly different than saying God could have sent her to hell. Now we are all sure that you are not a theologian but you can dial it back and say you don’t know So… You made it pretty clear the my fellow Mumper and Houstonian **drewtwo99** is doing a big no no. I say that how would a loving God deny him true love because he happens to be gay. God made him that way or if you believe that he was converted God allowed that, which is total woo. Did God decide he needed to live without love and affection or should be forced to marry a woman he cannot love. In what way does that make him an awesome or wonderful God? How can you reconcile a God that loves you forcing you into a loveless life? **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/277 "2013-02-20T04:43:52Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > If resisting is wrong I pray that the Lord does forgive me, but I don’t think that it is in several cases. Oh good, then we can just decide to contradict the decrees of the Bible about what we’re not supposed to do—and even the directly expressed words of Jesus Himself—as long as we personally “don’t think that it is” wrong? Sweet! That takes care of the whole suicide-prohibition issue, for example: “If suicide is wrong I pray that the Lord does forgive suicides, but I don’t think that it is in several cases.” There you go, a convenient get-out-of-Hell-free card! If resisting violence is not wrong, even in direct contradiction of the words of Jesus, because **James Otto Sweet Heart** “doesn’t think that it is”, then by the same token suicide is not wrong if some unhappy soul “doesn’t think that it is”. Simple as pie. > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Thank you very much, and in return I hope that terrible rash of yours clears up! 🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/278 "2013-02-20T04:48:26Z")
If being gay is wrong I pray the Lord Our God and Savior forgives me, but personally I don’t think it is. This is fun!!! ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/279 "2013-02-20T04:51:34Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > If being gay is wrong I pray the Lord Our God and Savior forgives me, but personally I don’t think it is. > This is fun!!! Yep Offer stands for the beerverage, bring the BF, I am straight Hating on haters is good sport **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/280 "2013-02-20T04:52:34Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > If he could command someone to kill his son, then I don’t find it out in left field that he could ask you for a hand job. I laughed at that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=15)