# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/721 "2013-02-24T00:18:00Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > Except when he doesn’t? I still believe in him then. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/722 "2013-02-24T00:26:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Calling other posters cunts is against the pit language rules. Please avoid this I’m the future. No warning issued. > [/Moderating] Sorry. I was sure it wasn’t. I thought it was only “fuck you” that wasn’t allowed. Again, sorry! ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/723 "2013-02-24T00:31:36Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > JOSH, you are a liar. You don’t have a job. She is a cook at Waffle House ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/724 "2013-02-24T00:36:44Z")
^^^ I don’t work there, but I do love their hash browns. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/725 "2013-02-24T00:39:08Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I don’t work there, but I do love their hash browns. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > Holly where do you work? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/726 "2013-02-24T00:46:03Z")
^^^ Where do you work? 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/727 "2013-02-24T00:53:38Z")
I work on a boat! ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/728 "2013-02-24T00:56:03Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Where do you work? 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > Holly Payment Express Systems I am proud of where I work and not afraid to tell people. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/729 "2013-02-24T01:02:50Z")
^^^ I am not afraid to tell people either. I’ve done it before. I cook breakfast at my local McDonald’s and I love it because I get the work day started pretty much there. I start as early as 4 AM EST since that is my time zone. What I love about coming in so early is that you get done early and then you have the rest of the day to yourself. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly P.S. So what is Payment Express Systems? I’ve never heard of that because I’ve never seen one in my area. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/730 "2013-02-24T01:05:39Z")
I’m self-employed but I don’t actually do anything and my boss pays me anyway (sucker!!!). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/731 "2013-02-24T01:07:50Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Y’see, that’s the kind of answer that sends so many down the road to atheism, because instead of a chipper parroting of the “God works in mysterious ways” line they give it some thought. And it doesn’t take much thought at all to get to asking why, in a universe where “But not a single sparrow can fall to the ground without your Father knowing it,” an all-knowing and all-powerful being would allow a car accident or an earthquake to strike one of His children. And, like it or not, those other drivers and the people of Haiti and Japan are His children, too, even though they don’t follow your extremely-narrow definition of Christianity. > > They quickly–as I said, it doesn’t take much thinking, only some–realize there are only two explanations for that behavior: > > 1. God is not as powerful as they thought. > 2. God does not care about people nearly as much as they thought. > > Number one makes Him a poor excuse for a Supreme Being. Number two splits into the Deism of Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson (I’ll bet that your preacher never told you that many of our Founding Fathers were not Christians!), in which an indifferent God set some Laws of Nature then went off on vacation for the next fourteen-billion years, leaving us to fend for ourselves, and a God that is capricious and evil, allowing and even making bad things happen to us. Preachers call these “test of faith,” but when He does them to people who have not even heard of Him it crosses the line into monstrous and sadistic, and neither a God who doesn’t care about us nor one who actively hates us is worthy of our worship. > > This leads us to: > > 1. There is no God, at least as we understand Him. > > This is actually a comforting thought, compared with a weak God, a God who doesn’t care, and a psycho-crazy God. Sure, He can’t help us, but at least He’s not out to get us. Your mother is not sick because 26 years ago God set her up with a prolonged test of her faith, nor is she sick because God doesn’t care about her. She’s sick because bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people, and it’s all because of randomness and the long train of coincidences that people find so hard to accept. Except that “God works in mysterious ways” is actually a decent argument, or it would be if it weren’t usually used as a superficial platitude by well-meaning idiots. Consider, to the best of your ability, what a timeless, omniscient, omnipotent being must be like. Now consider by comparison the extremely limited perspective and powers we frail mortals have. How could we hope to comprehend what God is up to? At best we can hope that God has the big picture in mind, and all our ephermal sufferings (however horrific) serve a greater purpose in the long run. Perhaps those that suffer most in life receive the greatest rewards in the afterlife, whatever they may be. Maybe one’s suffering relieves greater suffering by others. Maybe this is the [best of all possible worlds](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds). We have no way of seeing the Grand Plan, if such there be, and so we’re left to trust that God knows what he’s doing. Such is faith. If the Bible is anything to go by, however, you can be sure that whatever the Plan is, things are going to be pretty miserable here on Earth and moreso for His chosen ones. God never promised anyone an easy ride. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/732 "2013-02-24T01:09:34Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > The real question is can the same thing be said about you? 🙂 🙂 🙂 Well, as a Baker he probably has gingerbread men. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/733 "2013-02-24T01:09:47Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I work on a boat! I know that y’all aren’t going to believe me when I say this, but its true. I have never fished a day in my life. God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/734 "2013-02-24T01:13:35Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I know that y’all aren’t going to believe me when I say this, but its true. I have never fished a day in my life. > > God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > Holly Why would we even care? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/735 "2013-02-24T01:21:53Z")
^^^ I was just pointing out something that I think has a chance of being a rare thing. Who else has never fished before? God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/736 "2013-02-24T01:25:48Z")
You missed out on a lot of beer drinking then. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/737 "2013-02-24T01:31:39Z")
^^^ No I haven’t. I had to sing at a funeral for one of my cousins who was left for dead after being hit by a drunk driver. ☹ ☹ ☹ God bless you and my family that is still here always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly P.S. My cousin there was the first of the four family members that I lost back in 2011. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/738 "2013-02-24T01:40:47Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I was just pointing out something that I think has a chance of being a rare thing. Who else has never fished before? > > God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > Holly Again, why did you think anyone would care? It was an extremely random, pointless thing to say, and you were grabbing for attention off another posters comment, which had nothing to do with you. Which seems to be a pattern with you, someone could be talking about puppies and you would post that your mom’s bother’s grandpa’s friend lost a puppy to a drunk driver just so we know something else about your life we didn’t care about. You don’t even try to remotely stay on topic and are constantly turning threads you participate in into all about you. What is up with that? Are you really that self absorbed, because if you are you need to stop, it’s boring and nobody likes people like that. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/739 "2013-02-24T01:49:55Z")
^^^ I am not self absorbed, but I can see why you would think that I am. You have learned something about me that you don’t like and so now you have to turn everything that I say into something that it is not. God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/740 "2013-02-24T01:59:18Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > God bless you always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 > > Holly Oh… Always? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=38)