# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/941 "2013-03-10T18:08:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You’re twice wrong. I lie to no one no matter how people like you try to spin it. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > So bizarrely, Satan can cause illness but not cure illness. Hmmm. Sounds like a case of wishful thinking on the part of some. > > As for lying, I pay no regard whenever someone says they never lie. Truth tellers and liars alike say that, so how can you ever know? (And in this case, she’s been caught lying, so saying she never lies is an obvious lie.) I lie to no one no matter how people like you try to spin it. > [@missred](#): > > Holly: > > I live at the buckle of the bible belt, so I am used to being wished to have a _blessed day_ and such. Even though I am a non-believer, most of the time it really doesn’t bother me because I feel that it is that individual’s way of wishing good on me. > > However, over the years, I’ve found that those Xians who “shout” the talk the loudest (ie everything they say being of a religious nature, etc) are the very ones who aren’t taking very many steps on the “walk”. > > I don’t mind that you are religious, as likely many other folks on this forum. Personally, though, I would rather you take all of the time you spend “talking” the talk (mostly blessing internet strangers) and actually DO something positive for your community. I happen to know the area where you live and know that there are many people who could use a hand in putting groceries on the table, help around the house (you’re young and I’m assuming not beyond doing a bit of cleaning or painting for a senior or someone who is physically unable to do their own) or taken to an appointment of some kind. Keep in mind what the big guy himself said about faith without works being dead. That would actually earn the respect of anyone. For the past 27 years I have been taking care of someone who isn’t able to do a lot of things and for the last 16 of those years and still counting, I have been taking care of the person alone. God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. I pray that those of you who continue to try to spin me into something that I am not don’t get too dizzy. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/942 "2013-03-10T18:15:10Z")
Holly, maybe im mistaken but i thought you said you were only about thirty?..if so, how could you have been a caretaker for 27 yrs? you were a toddler taking care of someone? ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/943 "2013-03-10T18:26:30Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Newsflash - nobody likes what you “bring to the forum”. You’ve made a joke out of your god and you’ve proven yourself to be a selfish bitch with no “Christian” mores. You lie, you wish harm on others, you indulge in pride, etc etc. Then on top of that you demand to be allowed to be a flaming asshole and anyone who doesn’t like it is supposed to just ignore you. That has got to be the definition of narcissism, Very well put. > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I don’t lie and I don’t wish harm on other people, but if you are choosing to think that I do, all that I can say to that is that I hope that you enjoy the losing end of this matter as much as a person can. > Holly Holly you’re exactly the reason I left the church and became an atheist. Congratulations - you’re turning people away from god. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/944 "2013-03-10T18:37:15Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Newsflash - nobody likes what you “bring to the forum”. You’ve made a joke out of your god and you’ve proven yourself to be a selfish bitch with no “Christian” mores. You lie, you wish harm on others, you indulge in pride, etc etc. Then on top of that you demand to be allowed to be a flaming asshole and anyone who doesn’t like it is supposed to just ignore you. That has got to be the definition of narcissism, I find **JOSH** and her posting style just as annoying as the next person, but you are coming off as seriously butthurt here, **curlcoat**. Although I suppose if anyone here were to know what it takes to be a flaming asshole, I suppose it would be you. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/945 "2013-03-10T19:21:14Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Holly, > maybe im mistaken but i thought you said you were only about thirty?..if so, how could you have been a caretaker for 27 yrs? you were a toddler taking care of someone? My mom got sick when I was 4 and she and my dad divorced the year that I turned 14. Ever since then its been just her and me since my older sister has only cared about her own self just like our daddy does. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: God bless you and my mom always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/946 "2013-03-10T19:43:21Z")
JOSH sure is doing a fast backpedal on the age thing, huh? What a liar. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/947 "2013-03-10T19:59:11Z")
^^^ What I just shared is true. I was born in 1982, my mom got sick in 1986, and she and my dad divorced in 1996. God bless you and my mom always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/948 "2013-03-10T20:04:45Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ What I just shared is true. I was born in 1982, my mom got sick in 1986, and she and my dad divorced in 1996. > God bless you and my mom always!!! > Holly If I said I believe you I’d be a liar, not you. ---
**Author:** ![missred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/missred/32/14096_2.png) [@missred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missred)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/949 "2013-03-10T20:21:53Z")
**JOSH** , if I may ask, what attracted you to our community (one that really doesn’t seem to be in alignment with either your interests or your philosophy)? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@The\_Dord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Dord)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/950 "2013-03-10T21:11:21Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Holly, > maybe im mistaken but i thought you said you were only about thirty?..if so, how could you have been a caretaker for 27 yrs? you were a toddler taking care of someone? A 4 year old can’t take care of a person, I know that much. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/951 "2013-03-10T21:18:18Z")
> [@The\_Dord](#): > > A 4 year old can’t take care of a person, I know that much. 😃 I never said that I did it all on my own back then. For the record, back in them days, I had a dad and an older sister, but when they decided to split the year that I hit 14, it was just my mom and me and that is how its been ever since aside from the alimony that my dad has to send to my mom every month. > [@Baker](#): > > If I said I believe you I’d be a liar, not you. You don’t have to say anything out loud in order for it to be true. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@missred](#): > > **JOSH** , if I may ask, what attracted you to our community (one that really doesn’t seem to be in alignment with either your interests or your philosophy)? I found interesting chats here that I thought were worth getting in on. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you three and my mom always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/952 "2013-03-10T22:17:53Z")
A real life Winter’s Bone going on here. Only the more pathetic version. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/953 "2013-03-10T22:27:49Z")
They’re not ‘chats’, they’re ‘threads’. If I had to hold that in one more minute, I’d explode. I feel better now. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/954 "2013-03-10T22:51:30Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I lie to no one no matter how people like you try to spin it. It’s already been proven that you have lied on this forum. And that’s no spin. By the way, what exactly do you mean by “people like you”? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/955 "2013-03-10T23:02:47Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > They’re not ‘chats’, they’re ‘threads’. > > If I had to hold that in one more minute, I’d explode. Is this what Ms Manners looks like going berserker? 😉 ETA: I don’t mean for “Ms Manners” to sound like an insult. I’m just pokin’ fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/956 "2013-03-11T00:08:31Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I don’t lie and I don’t wish harm on other people, but if you are choosing to think that I do, all that I can say to that is that I hope that you enjoy the losing end of this matter as much as a person can. I’m not on the losing end of this. You’ve already been proven a liar previously, then you went on to try to claim you’ve been caring for an adult since you were 4. Or are you simply not aware that partial truths are the same as lies? You also chose not to answer questions that might expose you in a lie. As for wishing harm, you wish to believe that suicides go to hell. Not only is that wishing harm on their souls (should such things exist) but also harms anyone and everyone who cared about the person who committed suicide. That is just plain mean. > [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I find **JOSH** and her posting style just as annoying as the next person, but you are coming off as seriously butthurt here, **curlcoat**. Although I suppose if anyone here were to know what it takes to be a flaming asshole, I suppose it would be you. Well, you are wrong on both counts. I guess since you assume something that isn’t in the writing, it’s no wonder your opinions on other things are wrong. Note that the person right before you had no trouble understanding what I said or how I said it. FTR, anything I write should be read as if spoken dryly, unless of course I include smilies that indicate something else. For some reason, in this thread I just don’t feel the urge to use smilies… ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/957 "2013-03-11T00:11:32Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > For the past 27 years I have been taking care of someone who isn’t able to do a lot of things and for the last 16 of those years and still counting, I have been taking care of the person alone. > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I never said that I did it all on my own back then. First she says she did it alone – no, that was alone – at age 4, then she denies she said it was on her own. Oh what a tangled web we weave … ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/958 "2013-03-11T00:38:00Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Is this what Ms Manners looks like going berserker? 😉 > ETA: I don’t mean for “Ms Manners” to sound like an insult. I’m just pokin’ fun. 🙂 You kidding? Ms Manners would be the highest compliment. That lady rocks. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/959 "2013-03-11T00:51:42Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > First she says she did it alone – no, that was alone – at age 4, then she denies she said it was on her own. Oh what a tangled web we weave … Not to nitpick, well okay, to nitpick, your quotes don’t back up your claim. She said she had been helping to take care of someone since she was 4 (fairly unbelievable in any meaningful way) and has been doing it alone since 16. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/960 "2013-03-11T00:55:11Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Not to nitpick, well okay, to nitpick, your quotes don’t back up your claim. She said she had been helping to take care of someone since she was 4 (fairly unbelievable in any meaningful way) and has been doing it alone since 16. Shh! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=49)